trev76 Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 Does anyone know when the College football bowl games are announced im anxious to see if notre dame makes the fiesta bowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 QUOTE(trev76 @ Dec 3, 2005 -> 04:20 PM) Does anyone know when the College football bowl games are announced im anxious to see if notre dame makes the fiesta bowl They did. Now you don't have to be anxious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trev76 Posted December 3, 2005 Author Share Posted December 3, 2005 Was it officially announced yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEWOOD Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 QUOTE(trev76 @ Dec 3, 2005 -> 05:20 PM) Does anyone know when the College football bowl games are announced im anxious to see if notre dame makes the fiesta bowl Selection show is tomorrow at 4pm central time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 QUOTE(THEWOOD @ Dec 3, 2005 -> 04:34 PM) Selection show is tomorrow at 4pm central time... I think the Fiesta Bowl should be Oregona vs. Ohio State. If you look at it Notre Dame had one of the easiest schedules in College Football. They played 3 bowl teams. Michigan: W USC: L Navy (average team): W The only above average teams that are going to a major Bowl Game in that Schedule are Michigan and USC. Michigan will be playing on January 2nd and USC will be playing for the National Championship. Other than those 2 teams that's it. Plus they lost to Michigan State. Any team that can't beat Michigan State doesn't deserve to go to a BCS game. Oregon played 4 teams that will be going to bowl games. UCLA only lost 2 games and if USC isn't in the Pac 10 they win the conference. Plus the Fiesta Bowl loves Pac 10 teams and Oregon travels well. Ohio State deserves to go period. I am not trying to take anything away from Notre Dame. Charlie Weis did a great job and i think he is a stand-up guy. However if you take strength of schedule into the grand picture Notre Dame shouldn't make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 (edited) Plus they lost to Michigan State. Any team that can't beat Michigan State doesn't deserve to go to a BCS game. Josh, let's widen the view here. Michigan State was playing very well at the time they played Notre Dame. You can't with any logic or fairness call that a bad loss, just because Michigan State tanked their season after losing to Michigan. If you did, that would be like Auburn fans taking credit for killing South Carolina, a much improved team at the end of the year. But when Auburn played them, SC was terrible and without their starting QB. Can't count that as a "good" win, nor can you count Notre Dame's loss to Michigan St a bad one. The bottom line is, that like it or not, Notre Dame has a deal with the BCS and will get in because of it. If you think the deal sucks, then why not crow just as loudly that the Big East gets a bid? The BCS is what it is. It is designed to do the best possible job to pick the top 2 teams. Anything beyond that is nothing really different from the old days when the conferences were tied to bowls without the BCS. The BCS just puts the top two teams together rather than having them play in separate bowl games. That's it. Edited December 4, 2005 by Rex Hudler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Dec 3, 2005 -> 06:23 PM) Josh, let's widen the view here. Michigan State was playing very well at the time they played Notre Dame. You can't with any logic or fairness call that a bad loss, just because Michigan State tanked their season after losing to Michigan. If you did, that would be like Auburn fans taking credit for killing South Carolina, a much improved team at the end of the year. But when Auburn played them, SC was terrible and without their starting QB. Can't count that as a "good" win, nor can you count Notre Dame's loss to Michigan St a bad one. The bottom line is, that like it or not, Notre Dame has a deal with the BCS and will get in because of it. If you think the deal sucks, then why not crow just as loudly that the Big East gets a bid? The BCS is what it is. It is designed to do the best possible job to pick the top 2 teams. Anything beyond that is nothing really different from the old days when the conferences were tied to bowls without the BCS. The BCS just puts the top two teams together rather than having them play in separate bowl games. That's it. Can ND take credit for beating Michigan then? At the time they beat them, Michigan was a very average team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 12:31 AM) Can ND take credit for beating Michigan then? At the time they beat them, Michigan was a very average team. That's why you can beat "strength of schedule" like a dead horse and never get anywhere. SOS should factor in to deciding how good a team is, not be almost the sole measure, which it seems people want to do these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Dec 3, 2005 -> 06:23 PM) Josh, let's widen the view here. Michigan State was playing very well at the time they played Notre Dame. You can't with any logic or fairness call that a bad loss, just because Michigan State tanked their season after losing to Michigan. If you did, that would be like Auburn fans taking credit for killing South Carolina, a much improved team at the end of the year. But when Auburn played them, SC was terrible and without their starting QB. Can't count that as a "good" win, nor can you count Notre Dame's loss to Michigan St a bad one. The bottom line is, that like it or not, Notre Dame has a deal with the BCS and will get in because of it. If you think the deal sucks, then why not crow just as loudly that the Big East gets a bid? The BCS is what it is. It is designed to do the best possible job to pick the top 2 teams. Anything beyond that is nothing really different from the old days when the conferences were tied to bowls without the BCS. The BCS just puts the top two teams together rather than having them play in separate bowl games. That's it. that deal really sucks. The Big East one. That is worse than the Notre Dame deal. Look Notre Dame was way better than Michigan this season. This has nothing to do with Notre Dame-Michigan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 3, 2005 -> 06:31 PM) Can ND take credit for beating Michigan then? At the time they beat them, Michigan was a very average team. No Michigan was ranked really high. Look Notre Dame was much better than Michigan this season. If there was a fifth bcs game this year Notre Dame would IMHO deserve to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 (edited) I've written about this in the other thread. The BCS computer rankings are flawed. After MSU beat ND they jumped in the rankings. ND's SOS should have benefited from that. All teams SOS should benefit by both the strength of that team & their conference in the week after the game is played. The main reason is because of injuries. ND has no influence over what happens to MSU's season after they play them. ND's evaluation should not be influenced by MSU beyond the week they play them. That applies to all teams & all conferences. SOS should be a cumulative value calculated after each week of play & added to the next week. The travesty of this years major bowl selections is the same as it was before: an undeserving team like FSU wins it's conference & gets the automatic bid. When FSU won tonight the ACC should have been declared ineligible. As much as Oregon might lament in being left out what about Auburn? They lost to 24th ranked GT 1st week of the season & then 3rd ranked LSU 7th week of the season. They have since beaten 13th ranked UGA & 14th ranked ALA. So they played one of the toughest schedules in the toughest conference & yet UGA goes to the Sugar Bowl ahead of them. Why? Because they play in the same division as LSU & LSU beat them by 3 pts in week 7. Again if SOS was made cumulative & losses were weighted so that later ones are more costly than early ones Auburn would be going to a BCS bowl. Edited December 4, 2005 by JUGGERNAUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEWOOD Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 Buckeyes are going to a BCS bowl. TOP 4 teams automatic bids!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(THEWOOD @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 02:38 AM) Buckeyes are going to a BCS bowl. TOP 4 teams automatic bids!!!!!!!!!! Now that the Buckeyes are automatically in, does this change their likely matchup with ND in the Fiesta Bowl ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(THEWOOD @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 07:38 AM) Buckeyes are going to a BCS bowl. TOP 4 teams automatic bids!!!!!!!!!! Now how would that work in a scenario where the #3 an #4 teams were say, Ohio State and Oregon, but Notre Dame finishes #6? Let's say for example purposes that the #1 and #2 teams are USC and Penn State in this scenario. You can't have three at-large teams! How can the twop 4 be automatic and Notre Dame have their deal? What if Texas were still #2 and Penn St. was #5, but still won the Big Ten over Ohio St (let's say a non-conference loss has them ranked behind Ohio St. or that Penn St. won the Big Ten berth via tiebreaker in a year they did not play OSU). See how "automatic" cold present problems? I don't hate the BCS like so many other people do, but there is no way the BCS can be designed to handle every possible scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 11:56 AM) Now how would that work in a scenario where the #3 an #4 teams were say, Ohio State and Oregon, but Notre Dame finishes #6? Let's say for example purposes that the #1 and #2 teams are USC and Penn State in this scenario. You can't have three at-large teams! How can the twop 4 be automatic and Notre Dame have their deal? What if Texas were still #2 and Penn St. was #5, but still won the Big Ten over Ohio St (let's say a non-conference loss has them ranked behind Ohio St. or that Penn St. won the Big Ten berth via tiebreaker in a year they did not play OSU). See how "automatic" cold present problems? I don't hate the BCS like so many other people do, but there is no way the BCS can be designed to handle every possible scenario. If there is an at-large team #3 and #4, then #4 does not receive an automatic berth. If there is a #3 or #4 at-large team, then the Notre Dame automatic rule applies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 As a Penn State fan, I'm pissed about drawing FSU. You go with just one loss and nearly make the Natl Championship game and you get saddled with an 8-4 team. Great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 02:30 PM) As a Penn State fan, I'm pissed about drawing FSU. You go with just one loss and nearly make the Natl Championship game and you get saddled with an 8-4 team. Great And this is the true problem with the BCS. PSU should be playing Oregon not FSU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenryan Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 04:30 PM) As a Penn State fan, I'm pissed about drawing FSU. You go with just one loss and nearly make the Natl Championship game and you get saddled with an 8-4 team. Great an 8-4 team that very well could beat PSU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 If Iowa goes before Michigan I will be so pissed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(zenryan @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 03:58 PM) an 8-4 team that very well could beat PSU Not a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEWOOD Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 12:56 PM) Now how would that work in a scenario where the #3 an #4 teams were say, Ohio State and Oregon, but Notre Dame finishes #6? Let's say for example purposes that the #1 and #2 teams are USC and Penn State in this scenario. You can't have three at-large teams! How can the twop 4 be automatic and Notre Dame have their deal? What if Texas were still #2 and Penn St. was #5, but still won the Big Ten over Ohio St (let's say a non-conference loss has them ranked behind Ohio St. or that Penn St. won the Big Ten berth via tiebreaker in a year they did not play OSU). See how "automatic" cold present problems? I don't hate the BCS like so many other people do, but there is no way the BCS can be designed to handle every possible scenario. But you do know the PSU is 3 OSU is 4 and Oregon is 5....maybe I am reading your post wrong. I really dont see how there is any doubt that OSU is going to be playing ND in the Fiesta Bowl. Edited December 4, 2005 by THEWOOD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEWOOD Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 05:07 PM) Not a chance. You care to make a wager? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(THEWOOD @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 04:14 PM) You care to make a wager? On PSU beating FSU? Sig bet is really the only thing we can do, so I'm up for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 Still funny ass s*** that ND gets in over Oregon when they are lower in the BCS rankings. I mean it is a BCS bowl they are going to afterall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEWOOD Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 Was there any doubt that the buckeyes wouldnt get a BCS game??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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