TheKillerB's Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 After hearing that Garland turned down a three year deal from the Sox on ESPN Radio last week, it got The Rock thinking. From the lists of players to be traded the main pitching name that sticks out is Barry Zito. Now with Garland likely to leave in 2007, why not deal him now while his stock is the highest its ever been. Adding another lefty to the staff would be a great addition and from what I can tell Billy Beane loves good looking white pitchers (Zito, Mulder, Harden, etc). So I suggest trading Garland for Zito and securing Zito to one of those patented 3 year 20-some million contract, what do you guys think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 QUOTE(FGarcia34 @ Dec 3, 2005 -> 05:50 PM) After hearing that Garland turned down a three year deal from the Sox on ESPN Radio last week, it got The Rock thinking. From the lists of players to be traded the main pitching name that sticks out is Barry Zito. Now with Garland likely to leave in 2007, why not deal him now while his stock is the highest its ever been. Adding another lefty to the staff would be a great addition and from what I can tell Billy Beane loves good looking white pitchers (Zito, Mulder, Harden, etc). So I suggest trading Garland for Zito and securing Zito to one of those patented 3 year 20-some million contract, what do you guys think? What makes you think Barry Zito is going to accept a 3 yr 20 million dollar a year deal? Garland isn't going anywhere anyways, moot point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerB's Posted December 3, 2005 Author Share Posted December 3, 2005 Well considering Zito is making 5.6 million now, what is to say he wouldnt accept a 3 year 24-27 million dollar offer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 QUOTE(FGarcia34 @ Dec 3, 2005 -> 11:54 PM) Well considering Zito is making 5.6 million now, what is to say he wouldnt accept a 3 year 24-27 million dollar offer? when next season he can break the bank so to speak. i don't think so. however if garland where to be traded, which i do not think will happen, we need prospects that will be ready in the next 2 yrs or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 We can get picks if he leaves next year, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(SEALgep @ Dec 3, 2005 -> 06:15 PM) We can get picks if he leaves next year, right? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(FGarcia34 @ Dec 3, 2005 -> 05:54 PM) Well considering Zito is making 5.6 million now, what is to say he wouldnt accept a 3 year 24-27 million dollar offer? So your thinking is. Since Jon Garland declined our lowball offer, we should trade him for a better pitcher and see if he'll accept a lowball offer? :shortbus: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 Zito is rumored to be headed to Chicago.. but not the south side. Supposedly, according to Phil Rogers on the Score, Zito and Mench are headed to the Cubs, while the Rangers are getting Kerry Wood, Todd Walker, and cash, and the Athletics are getting Soriano and prospects. A friend of mine told me this, but I didn't hear it for myself, hence the "supposedly" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 3, 2005 -> 06:28 PM) Zito is rumored to be headed to Chicago.. but not the south side. Supposedly, according to Phil Rogers on the Score, Zito and Mench are headed to the Cubs, while the Rangers are getting Kerry Wood, Todd Walker, and cash, and the Athletics are getting Soriano and prospects. A friend of mine told me this, but I didn't hear it for myself, hence the "supposedly" It's a rumor from Rogers. Doesn't mean it's happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 Pass the pipe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 3, 2005 -> 07:35 PM) It's a rumor from Rogers. Doesn't mean it's happening. Never said it was. I said it was a rumor, nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 Billy Beane wants the $9M 2B who had a .309 OBP last year. He's just dying to replace the .316/.384/.477 with superior defense to Soriano that he got out of Mark Ellis. Some people are f***ing retarded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(FGarcia34 @ Dec 3, 2005 -> 11:50 PM) After hearing that Garland turned down a three year deal from the Sox on ESPN Radio last week, it got The Rock thinking. From the lists of players to be traded the main pitching name that sticks out is Barry Zito. Now with Garland likely to leave in 2007, why not deal him now while his stock is the highest its ever been. Adding another lefty to the staff would be a great addition and from what I can tell Billy Beane loves good looking white pitchers (Zito, Mulder, Harden, etc). So I suggest trading Garland for Zito and securing Zito to one of those patented 3 year 20-some million contract, what do you guys think? Zito would demand more money than Garland. Both deserve more than what Burnett (possibly $10 mil/year) and Pavano (roughly $10 mil/year) make. Even crappy Kris Benson makes over $7mil. Sox need to just anty up and pay the guy. Unless we resign Hernandez, Hermanson and Contreras in 2007 we will have $15 mil off the payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 Um, why in the world would Billy Beane trade for a guy who's going to leave next year? They might as well keep Zito who is the better pitcher if they're going to keep guys on 1 year deals. Garland's not going anywhere unless Boston offers us Ortiz, Ramirez, and there 2 best pitching prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 3, 2005 -> 11:25 PM) Um, why in the world would Billy Beane trade for a guy who's going to leave next year? They might as well keep Zito who is the better pitcher if they're going to keep guys on 1 year deals. Garland's not going anywhere unless Boston offers us Ortiz, Ramirez, and there 2 best pitching prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(FGarcia34 @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 10:50 AM) and from what I can tell Billy Beane loves good looking white pitchers Did anyone else find this a bit weird? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerB's Posted December 4, 2005 Author Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 3, 2005 -> 11:42 PM) Did anyone else find this a bit weird? Hey the Rock is not gay, not thats theres anything wrong with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 3, 2005 -> 10:25 PM) Um, why in the world would Billy Beane trade for a guy who's going to leave next year? They might as well keep Zito who is the better pitcher if they're going to keep guys on 1 year deals. Garland's not going anywhere unless Boston offers us Ortiz, Ramirez, and there 2 best pitching prospects. So Zito is better than Garland, but Garland's value is Ortiz, Ramirez, and Boston's 2 best pitching prospects (??? and Papelbon)? So is Zito's value Ortiz, Ramirez, Varitek, and their 3 best pitching prospects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(Dam8610 @ Dec 3, 2005 -> 11:54 PM) So Zito is better than Garland, but Garland's value is Ortiz, Ramirez, and Boston's 2 best pitching prospects (??? and Papelbon)? So is Zito's value Ortiz, Ramirez, Varitek, and their 3 best pitching prospects? I think it was pretty obvious he was just exaggerating for the fact that there is no way Jon is going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 05:01 PM) I think it was pretty obvious he was just exaggerating for the fact that there is no way Jon is going anywhere. I'd still be open to dealing Jon, if the right deal came along, but looking at our team, and what we need to succeed in terms of good pitching (e.g the market value of Free Agent Pitchers), that ain't gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(FGarcia34 @ Dec 3, 2005 -> 11:50 PM) After hearing that Garland turned down a three year deal from the Sox on ESPN Radio last week, it got The Rock thinking. From the lists of players to be traded the main pitching name that sticks out is Barry Zito. Now with Garland likely to leave in 2007, why not deal him now while his stock is the highest its ever been. Adding another lefty to the staff would be a great addition and from what I can tell Billy Beane loves good looking white pitchers (Zito, Mulder, Harden, etc). So I suggest trading Garland for Zito and securing Zito to one of those patented 3 year 20-some million contract, what do you guys think? Not going to happen. Garland will make a very reasonable amount this yr, through arb. What happens to Jon in 2007 depends on his performance this yr. If he does well [another year like 2005] I expect he'll be signed to a long term deal, along the lines of what other young, dependable SP's are making [Think Carl Pavano money--4 yr, $40 mill] It might make him the highest paid SP on the team. But the market is the market So the sox might have to overpay, like they did with PK. But paying for a workhorse who can throw 200 innings every yr is worth it. If Jon goes back to his 2004 numbers, all bets are off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timotime Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 After hearing that Garland turned down a three year deal from the Sox on ESPN Radio last week, it got The Rock thinking. From the lists of players to be traded the main pitching name that sticks out is Barry Zito. Now with Garland likely to leave in 2007, why not deal him now while his stock is the highest its ever been. Adding another lefty to the staff would be a great addition and from what I can tell Billy Beane loves good looking white pitchers (Zito, Mulder, Harden, etc). So I suggest trading Garland for Zito and securing Zito to one of those patented 3 year 20-some million contract, what do you guys think? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> lets not and say we did :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 3, 2005 -> 07:28 PM) Zito is rumored to be headed to Chicago.. but not the south side. Supposedly, according to Phil Rogers on the Score, Zito and Mench are headed to the Cubs, while the Rangers are getting Kerry Wood, Todd Walker, and cash, and the Athletics are getting Soriano and prospects. A friend of mine told me this, but I didn't hear it for myself, hence the "supposedly" We can shoot down that rumor rather quickly based on the simple reasoning that Hendry wouldn't do that trade, it makes the Flubbies better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(FGarcia34 @ Dec 3, 2005 -> 05:50 PM) After hearing that Garland turned down a three year deal from the Sox on ESPN Radio last week, it got The Rock thinking. From the lists of players to be traded the main pitching name that sticks out is Barry Zito. Now with Garland likely to leave in 2007, why not deal him now while his stock is the highest its ever been. Adding another lefty to the staff would be a great addition and from what I can tell Billy Beane loves good looking white pitchers (Zito, Mulder, Harden, etc). So I suggest trading Garland for Zito and securing Zito to one of those patented 3 year 20-some million contract, what do you guys think? dude, walk over to your tv, bend down, press green button, turn off xbox. Trade FA pitcher for FA pitcher and expect the pitcher with the best resume to accept the lowest offer? Dude, come on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 The A's signed Loaiza as their 5th starter, so Zito is gone. They don't want another starting pitcher, so Garland is not going there. If they do end up moving Jon, I would assume that they would try to get some high level prospects in return to replenish the farm system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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