JDsDirtySox Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 (edited) Looks like we will see a lot more of the Byrd Man. 2 years 14.25 million to the Tribe. Rosenthal also says the Tribe is the front runner for Trevor Hoffman. Edited December 5, 2005 by JDsDirtySox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 f***. I'm pissed, even though 62.25 million is a lot per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 03:22 PM) f***. I'm pissed, even though 62.25 million is a lot per year. He was very good against us in the playoffs, so he might be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 I'd rather the sox face Byrd than Millwood. Millwood was very tough vs. the sox last yr. Hoffman isn't the same pitcher he once was. And the sox didn't fare well vs. Wickman in the past. So IMO, Millwood + Wickman >>> Byrd + Hoffman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 03:22 PM) f***. I'm pissed, even though 62.25 million is a lot per year. Anyway they overpaid for him, but he should be successful for the two years and he kicks ass versus us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 03:27 PM) The market for pitchers is totally f***ed now. What was Shapiro thinking? Millwood now is $11-12 million dollar pitcher and Burnett is a $12-13 million pitcher. Shapiro needed a vet pitcher to keep up with the Sox, it was a desperation move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 If Byrd is replacing Elarton (and they re-sign Millwood or get someone near his quality), then I'm unhappy with this move. If Byrd is replacing Millwood, then I'm happy. Hoffman is still pretty good, but his ERA wasn't too great last year in the terrible NL West in a gigantic stadium. He'd almost definitely be a downgrade from Wickman's performance from last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 Byrd is a real solid pitcher, nice pickup for Cleveland. He'll be a nice replacement for Elarton, they still need a find a replacement for Millwood though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 IF they get anotehr guy equal to Byrd then its sort of a wash because while Milwood is better than Byrd, Elarton is slightly less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank the Tank 35 Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 Byrd's in to replace Millwood. They can't afford to resign him. They might manage to bring back Elarton, but that's about the highest quality pitcher I can see them putting in #5. I'm still holding out hope they bring back Juan Gonzalez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 LOL. THat is a lot of money for a guy liek that. I woulda thrown in the extra money and just resigned Millwood. Millwood OWNED us last year too, so it really doesn't matter from our perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 (edited) I'd rather the sox face Byrd than Millwood. Millwood was very tough vs. the sox last yr. Hoffman isn't the same pitcher he once was. And the sox didn't fare well vs. Wickman in the past. So IMO, Millwood + Wickman >>> Byrd + Hoffman <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exactly how I feel. We have some trouble with Byrd but much more against Millwood. LOL. THat is a lot of money for a guy liek that. I woulda thrown in the extra money and just resigned Millwood. Millwood OWNED us last year too, so it really doesn't matter from our perspective. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 2 years, $14.25 million is about market value for a pitcher like Byrd (see Loaiza's contract). I agree with you though. I'd rather pay Millwood the extra money. Edited December 4, 2005 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 04:14 PM) 2 years, $14.25 million is about market value for a pitcher like Byrd (see Loaiza's contract). So, were you able to sneak back into WSI as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 That means we will be seeing a lot more of that half troll/half man looking thing named Paul Byrd. I hope Thome and Anderson can hit him, because otherwise he may have a Joe Mays type hold on us for 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 09:27 PM) Anyway they overpaid for him, but he should be successful for the two years and he kicks ass versus us. bor-ass must be his agent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 01:37 PM) He made us look silly in the playoffs. This doesnt make me happy..... Folks...don't forget, Byrd made us look bad...but since then, we've added one HELL of a left handed bat to our lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 07:11 PM) Folks...don't forget, Byrd made us look bad...but since then, we've added one HELL of a left handed bat to our lineup. Timo's starting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 duno why, but that just made me laff so effing hard. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 this guys a journeyman and a junk thrower? this is a terrible signing for the Indians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 Hes a soft tossing flyball pitcher. Facing him in the playoffs is one thing, facing him a whole bunch of times in league play means we will get to him. I would rather face a Byrd over facing Millwood. Millwoods pedigree is a hell of a lot better than Paul Byrd. Thome vs Byrd should be a nice matchup in our favor. I am thinking the ball should land nicely in the bullpen sports bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 10:21 PM) Thome vs Byrd should be a nice matchup in our favor. I am thinking the ball should land nicely on the concourse fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 This signing doesn't worry me at all, since they are probably not going to add Millwood or Burnett. That means their rotation is going to take a hit, because Byrd is a passable #3 at best. His ERA has been in the high 3's the last 3 seasons, which is decent but not stellar. They still need another starter and another bullpen arm. I've been saying several bullpen arms, but then I looked at the numbers again and some of their guys are decent (like Cabrera, Miller, Rhodes, and Betancourt). they need a real closer pretty badly though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 As good as he handled us in the playoffs weren't we pretty close to rocking him the last inning in both games? I consider him an upgrade over Elarton since he does know how to succeed with his junk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 I'd imagine this move is replacing Millwood, and they'll either bring up an arm from the minors to replace Elarton, or they'll resign Elarton. Elarton seems underrated to me. For all the s*** the guy takes, he did put up an ERA of under 4 and WHIPs of 1.10 or lower in 3 of the last 4 months of the season(unless his October start against the Sox changes his Sept/Oct numbers, and it very well could have - it was a pretty bad start) I look for him to have a pretty solid year next year...10-14 wins, ERA in the 4.00-4.50 range with 200 innings...or in other words a pretty solid #4 pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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