maggsmaggs Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 (edited) Look at the numbers: last year Ed Reed won the award with numbers of 78 tackles, 2 sacks, 9 int, 1 TD, 3 FF Vasher this year (with 4 games left): 35 tackles, 0 sacks, 7 int, 2 TD, 2 FF He doesn't have the sacks or tackles, but has one more TD, possibly will tie with Int and may get one more FF. What do you think? There is no dominant player this year like Ray Lewis was a couple years ago or Strahan. Edited December 4, 2005 by maggsmaggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 05:20 PM) What do you think? There is no dominant player this year like Ray Lewis was a couple years ago or Strahan. Two words: Brian Urlacher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 Historically, those tackle and sack numbers need to rise if he is to be considered the favorite for the award. I went back in my notebook, though, and took a look at what I had for Vasher, here's what I had written: -Needs to remain at the CB position if he is to play regularly on Sundays -Has a nose for the football, always seems to be in the right place at the right time -Very impressive hands for a DB, tying Texas' school record with 17 INCs -Runs about 4.4-4.8 fourty -Decent open-field tackler -Can make a big play -Under-sized -Has to improve back-peddle -Can he handle the Moss'es of the NFL? -Will he ever catch on as a starter? Oops. I think he has what it takes to be considered amongst the league's elite DBs within the next year or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted December 4, 2005 Author Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 04:25 PM) Two words: Brian Urlacher. He's been great, but hardly dominant. He's got 80 tackles, 6 sacks, 1 FF and 0 int. His presence is great, too, but you can't call him dominant this year like Strahan and Lewis were a couple of years ago. this was dominant (Lewis): in 2003, 163 tackles, 2 sacks, 2 FF, 6 ints, 1 TD or this (Strahan): in 2001, 73 tackles, 23 sacks, 6 FF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 I love Vasher but his numbers aren't really any better than Champ Bailey's. It would make sense for a Bear to win it though if its close because of their dominance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trev76 Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 I dont think any bear will win the DPOY award because of all the playmakers on defence it makes it so just one player doesnt stand out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilCan Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 All Nate Vasher does is get picks and score touchdowns. Why isn't he returning punts? He did that at UT all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(OilCan @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 05:14 PM) All Nate Vasher does is get picks and score touchdowns. Why isn't he returning punts? He did that at UT all the time. You don't want your starting corner returning punts, especially when your backup CB is Azumah who is the perfect Nickle back for this defense. Bernard Berrian would be a better choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 05:16 PM) Bernard Berrian would be a better choice. Yuck. He might be able to catch the ball but he has more straight line speed than anything. Lacks the shiftiness a PR needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 05:17 PM) Yuck. He might be able to catch the ball but he has more straight line speed than anything. Lacks the shiftiness a PR needs. I don't think we have a good PR on the roster right now (not counting Vash). I know for a fact that Bernard will not fumble, that's all I'm asking from my PR at this point in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilCan Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 All I remember, when Nathan Vasher was here in Austin returning punts, was that he was a threat EVERY TIME to break one, maybe two, punts per college game. He would give the Bears an X-factor on special teams that would be an upgrade compared to what they have now. I understand you don't want to put your starter out there, but still.....I really, REALLY wish he was back there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(OilCan @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 05:24 PM) All I remember, when Nathan Vasher was here in Austin returning punts, was that he was a threat EVERY TIME to break one, maybe two, punts per college game. He would give the Bears an X-factor on special teams that would be an upgrade compared to what they have now. I understand you don't want to put your starter out there, but still.....I really, REALLY wish he was back there. He returns a punt, gets hit low, blows a knee and we have Azumah starting with ?Rashied Davis/Todd Johnson? at the nickle, assuming Green is starting at FS with Harris out with his knee injury. We can't afford to have our stud CB returning punts, no matter how good he is, we're just not deep enough at DB right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 Sign Peerless Price and make him the punt returner. These botched punt returns are getting really old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 I just checked the Bears Depth Chart on the official website and Bernard Berrian is in fact the 3rd string PR behind Rashied Davis. I'm really hoping we see him return punts Vs the Steelers next Sunday, he's got great speed and great hands. He'll give you 5+ yards and fall down, no fumbles necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 Actually Peerless Price would be an excellent pickup for the Bears to return kicks or punts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 I just checked the Bears Depth Chart on the official website and Bernard Berrian is in fact the 3rd string PR behind Rashied Davis. I'm really hoping we see him return punts Vs the Steelers next Sunday, he's got great speed and great hands. He'll give you 5+ yards and fall down, no fumbles necessary. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think we will see Eddie Berlin returning punts next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 05:49 PM) I think we will see Eddie Berlin returning punts next week. It depends on how he feels, if he feels he can go out there and not reinjur himself, then there's a damn good chance we'll be seeing a speedy little white guy returning punts next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 It depends on how he feels, if he feels he can go out there and not reinjur himself, then there's a damn good chance we'll be seeing a speedy little white guy returning punts next week. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> As long as he has good hands, which I think he does. I'm sick of these guys not even catching or holding onto the ball. With our offense, we can't risk those kinds of mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 07:52 PM) It depends on how he feels, if he feels he can go out there and not reinjur himself, then there's a damn good chance we'll be seeing a speedy little white guy returning punts next week. See: Tim Dwight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 06:10 PM) See: Tim Dwight Except Time Dwight has a lot more experience and success at returning punts than Eddie Berlin. Berlin has only returned 7 punts in his 5 year NFL career and all were in '04, he gained 26 yards off those returns (3.7avg). Dwight has returned 152 punts over his 8 year NFL career, he's gained 1500 yards off those returns (9.9avg) + 3 tds. Totally different players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 08:18 PM) Except Time Dwight has a lot more experience and success at returning punts than Eddie Berlin. Berlin has only returned 7 punts in his 5 year NFL career and all were in '04, he gained 26 yards off those returns (3.7avg). Dwight has returned 152 punts over his 8 year NFL career, he's gained 1500 yards off those returns (9.9avg) + 3 tds. Totally different players. They're both fast white guys....same! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 I know Urlacher is getting a lot of play for DPOY havent heard anything about Vasher and although he is having a good season he wont win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 Pro Bowl is a real possibility though for Vash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloudyguy09 Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 05:47 PM) Actually Peerless Price would be an excellent pickup for the Bears to return kicks or punts plus he would be a great combo with moose Edited December 5, 2005 by Cloudyguy09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 4, 2005 -> 06:19 PM) They're both fast white guys....same! The Bears should just sign Scott Podsednik while they're at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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