Angels & Sox looking at Crawford

[Chisoxfn]

I am just going off of what Bruce Levine and Mark Gonzales have said, which is around $85 million.

This is the same Levine that keeps saying the Sox aren't interested in Pierre. I'm not saying the Sox will get him, but there is interest.

[Rowand44]

I love Fathom, one the best posters here IMO. He knows that, and thats why I can give him crap about it.

 

 

Him and I have had this convo before, he knows when I get a chance to take a shot at him, I'm going to. All in good fun of course.

[Chisoxfn]

I love Fathom, one the best posters here IMO. He knows that, and thats why I can give him crap about it.

 

He also might be right. We all could be WAY off in the demands for Crawford. Remember what they wanted for Huff at the deadline.....

At least there is a new GM in charge.

[Rowand44]

Hey, I never predicted Giles to the Cubs.  Also, I was one of the first people on here to predict there was no chance that Rowand would be on the Sox next year.  More than any other team, I have better insight into the Tampa organization.  They're not going to trade the second best chip in the organization (behind D. Young), to get anything less than stud prospects.

You did predict Giles to the cubs, I remember that. You know I'm just giving you s*** for the sake of giving you s***, everyone makes bad predictions, that's the way baseball is.

[SSH2005]

I was wondering why he isn't a CF.  He is a good athlete, good build but does he get bad jumps or is it more of the fact that Rocco was there and they had other guys that were just better (like Gathright?) defensively. 

 

I thought he originally played some CF.  Does he have a really weak arm?

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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/scouting?statsId=6870

Baserunning & Defense

 

Crawford still is working on being a polished baserunner, and he likely will get bolder when he learns the pitchers better. He is known for his running and hitting, which makes his defensive contributions underrated. His speed and athleticism allow him to cover vast amounts of turf and put himself in position to attempt plays others would have no chance on. He has a decent arm, and can make it look better with good positioning and a quick release.

[Rowand44]

At least there is a new GM in charge.

If Lamar was still there, this conversation wouldnt even be taking place.

[maggsmaggs]

This is the same Levine that keeps saying the Sox aren't interested in Pierre.  I'm not saying the Sox will get him, but there is interest.

Well, a week from Thursday, Rick Hahn will be on my radio show and I will ask him about the payroll and what they want to keep it near. He has always been as honest and straight-forward with my cohosts and I.

[fathom]

Him and I have had this convo before, he knows when I get a chance to take a shot at him, I'm going to.  All in good fun of course.

 

I can say that between stating that Ozzie would suck in the playoffs and that PK would go elsewhere, I'm very happy I've been wrong about those things.

[Chisoxfn]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/scouting?statsId=6870

Sounds like they could potentially try him in CF. If they make this deal we will obviously have downgraded defensively in the OF, but who knows how much.

[SSH2005]

Well, a week from Thursday, Rick Hahn will be on my radio show and I will ask him about the payroll and what they want to keep it near.  He has always been as honest and straight-forward with my cohosts and I.

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Rick Hahn was already on the Score last week and said that the payroll would be in the upper $80 millions, so around $87-$88 million.

[Rowand44]

Rick Hahn was already on the Score last week and said that the payroll would be in the upper $80 millions, so around $87-$88 million.

I'm pretty sure he was saying that with all the moves already made on what it would be.

[fathom]

You did predict Giles to the cubs, I remember that.   You know I'm just giving you s*** for the sake of giving you s***, everyone makes bad predictions, that's the way baseball is.

 

I vaguely remember saying there's a better chance of him going to the Cubs than the Sox, but I always thought he was going to stay on the west coast. I always brought up how he had a no-trade clause to the Sox about 4 years ago, and that I doubt his mind changed that much to go there over other bidders. BTW, did we ever find out if the Sox really did offer him a lot of money this offseason?

[Chisoxfn]

I can say that between stating that Ozzie would suck in the playoffs and that PK would go elsewhere, I'm very happy I've been wrong about those things.

However, you and I were about the only ones talking about how once the Sox clinched they would pretty much blow up. It was just a matter of getting the monkey off there back and for them to relax.

 

Also since were dishing out compliments I echo Rowand and Tony's sentiments about you being one of the best posters on this board.

[maggsmaggs]

Who the hell are you???

It's just a high-school radio show, but have had Rick, Bruce, Chris De Luca, Mark Gonzales, i guess it's how we try to be professional.

[SSH2005]

I'm pretty sure he was saying that with all the moves already made on what it would be.

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You could be right, but I think Hahn was saying that's how high the total payroll for 2006 could go.

[Chisoxfn]

Fair enough, but I just dont think right now there is a real limit for Kenny right now. I know im probably living in a dream world with that statement, but o well, im living in a dream world. I really have alot of faith in management, and I think JR knows the Sox are in a position to do alot of damage in the league in the next two years, so he wants to make a strong push now...

Well you and I feel the same way about having high expectations following a World Series and the Sox should be able to make moves that they couldn't have made in years past. I think we have already seen this with Paulie resigning and Thome joining him.

 

Plus a move of Crawford, well just wow.

[fathom]

Sounds like they could potentially try him in CF.  If they make this deal we will obviously have downgraded defensively in the OF, but who knows how much.

 

We could make this deal with the thought process that Crawford gets a year in CF, and then we let Pods go after this season. Then, you move Crawford to LF, and put C. Young in CF.

[SSH2005]

I vaguely remember saying there's a better chance of him going to the Cubs than the Sox, but I always thought he was going to stay on the west coast.  I always brought up how he had a no-trade clause to the Sox about 4 years ago, and that I doubt his mind changed that much to go there over other bidders.  BTW, did we ever find out if the Sox really did offer him a lot of money this offseason?

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Ask VAfan.

[fathom]

However, you and I were about the only ones talking about how once the Sox clinched they would pretty much blow up.  It was just a matter of getting the monkey off there back and for them to relax. 

 

Also since were dishing out compliments I echo Rowand and Tony's sentiments about you being one of the best posters on this board.

 

[maggsmaggs]

Nice work Maggs.

Thanks.

[SSH2005]

We could make this deal with the thought process that Crawford gets a year in CF, and then we let Pods go after this season.  Then, you move Crawford to LF, and put C. Young in CF.

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That would be one sick outfield if Dye was still putting up solid numbers and we picked up his 2007 option:

 

LF Carl Crawford

CF Chris Young

RF Jermaine Dye or Ryan Sweeney if ready

 

Edited December 6, 2005 by SSH2005

[Guest JimH]

We could make this deal with the thought process that Crawford gets a year in CF, and then we let Pods go after this season.  Then, you move Crawford to LF, and put C. Young in CF.

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Whoever they get, this is exactly the thought process. They move Chris Young in, and put whoever in LF, that could be somebody they move over, or Jerry Owens.

 

I don't think you will see Young, Owens, or Sweeney traded.

[Chisoxfn]

We could make this deal with the thought process that Crawford gets a year in CF, and then we let Pods go after this season.  Then, you move Crawford to LF, and put C. Young in CF.

Thats my thought. I just hate the idea of Pods playing CF. I thought he was terrible LFer so I have little expectations for him in CF (even though he's played it plenty).

 

But do you think there is the possibility of a 3rd team (say the Dodgers) going after Huff or Lugo and than giving up the pitching prospect the Drays would want (with the Sox sweetening the deal for the Dodgers by giving up one of its outfield prospects) and than dealing Fields and Tracey to the Rays.

 

I think talent wise a Fields/Tracey/Anderson deal is worthy, its just Anderson (the best chip we have that the club is willing to give up) doesn't seem to fit the DRays needs.

 

The other question is who is after Crawford. It seems like everyone is drooling for Pierre so if you could jump quick on Crawford it could be a real score. However if Pierre goes to the Yanks, Finley eventually goes to Boston (as part of the Manny deal) and the Yanks sign Johnny Damon. Well now the Drays market for Crawford has slimmed down and the Sox would once again be in a good position.

 

I definately see potential here. I'd think the best person for this would be Willsy (who still has definate ties to the Sox and is now covering the Drays).

[3E8]

You know how most people at this site think Anderson won't really be a step down from Rowand? Well Crawford isn't really that much more in value than Rowand. So what gives? He just fits nicely in the 2-hole?

[fathom]

Personally, I don't think there's a chance in hell Crawford will get traded. The guy I've long thought would be traded is Rocco, and the Red Sox could potentially be a great fit if they lose Damon.