Night 1 Notes from the GM Meetings

[Punch and Judy Garland]

Is non-tendering Crede really a possibility?  Unless his health is worse than we know, I would not like that move.

 

Maybe he's just saying what WOULD need to happen to get Muller to come here, not what is likely. That being said, it woiuld sure be nice if KW could give us an update on Crede at the winter meetings just so we know what is going on.

[SSH2005]

I don't mind the idea of Mueller starting over Crede for the next two years but after that we would be screwed unless Josh Fields pans out. And no one knows if that's going to happen.

[Punch and Judy Garland]

I don't mind the idea of Mueller starting over Crede for the next two years but after that we would be screwed unless Josh Fields pans out.  And no one knows if that's going to happen.

 

Well two years down the road Mr. Boras would be looming his ugly head anyways so we'd eventually have to find a replacement eitehr way

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Well...that's definitely a lot of money but I think Cleveland thinks they're ready to compete for a championship this year(though I don't) and having a rookie closer step in at the beginning of the year isn't exactly the best way to go about things if you want to win this year.  The Bobby situation last year was a bit different cause he came onto the roster as the last man and earned the closer spot or atleast proved he was capable.  Very much agreed though that it was a bad move to let Howry go.

 

 

Cleveland is peaking at the wrong time for them. Theres no way they're gonna be able to stay with the Sox who are instantly better than last season with the addition of Thome.

[qwerty]

Well two years down the road Mr. Boras would be looming his ugly head anyways so we'd eventually have to find a replacement eitehr way

 

Boras will not get much for crede unless he produces... people need to start realizing this. It is fully possible after what we saw the last couple months that crede can out produce dye... ( think he can within a couple years) but it is also fully possible that he hits in the .240's again.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Boras will not get much for crede unless he produces... people need to start realizing this. It is fully possible after what we saw the last couple months that crede can out produce dye... ( think he can within a couple years) but it is also fully possible that he hits in the .240's again.

 

 

Much as I hate Crede I have to hand it to the man, he was awesome in the playoffs.

[Rowand44]

Boras will not get much for crede unless he produces... people need to start realizing this. It is fully possible after what we saw the last couple months that crede can out produce dye... ( think he can within a couple years) but it is also fully possible that he hits in the .240's again.

I don't think that's the ultimate problem with Joe and Boras. First off, we're going to have to find out if Kenny will even deal with him. Second, if the Sox do want to bring Joe back and will deal with Boras, you know Boras is going to drag on the process and handcuff the Sox at 3rd base to the point where Kenny will just move on.

Edited December 6, 2005 by Rowand44

[daa84]

wow...i have alot to say about this thread....

 

1.) rosenthall is not on crack he writes alot but its my opinion he is far more reputable than levine or gammons. what he writes is usually good stuff, and usually with good sources, and he does his homework. Id rather a guy write 9 articles a day that are legit than a guy like gammons who writes once about the red sox every two weeks

 

2.) on Hoffman and howry. both deals arent very good. howrys K rate regressed drastically last year, and hoffman is grossly overpaid. 8 mil for a 38 year old closer moving from the biggest pitchers park in the NL to a hitters park in the AL is gonna spell doom. when he is 41 he wont be worth 3 mil let alone 8.

 

3.) Dayn perry - ok, this guy...perhaps bigger hypocrite than mariotti. Hes a stat head, and bashed the sox for their low obp ways all of last year, yet when the sox trade a guy with 96 career walks and 1600+ ABs for a career .409 OBP power hitting first basemen he says we were suckered. Then he says we overpaid for Konerko. THEN he gives us the highest offseason grade (tied for highest at least) of any team in teh AL.

 

4.) as far as kenny williams not raelly working on any moves this winter meetings....yeah right kenny, thats just not his style. hes always working on something, whether they are realistic or not is another issue, but hes working.

Edited December 6, 2005 by daa84

[GreatScott82]

Prediction: Sox will get Pierre for Young. I expect Pierre to go somewhere very soon. And if the Sox sign Pierre- the Cubs will once again lose out on one of there "targets" this offseason. Not to mention it would create a hell of a 1-2 punch on our team. Go for it Kenny!

[Rowand44]

howrys K rate regressed drastically last year,

Who gives a hoot about his k rate, he posted a 2.47 era, only 49 hits in 73 innings and only 16 walks as well. The guy was absolutely terrific.

Edited December 6, 2005 by Rowand44

[qwerty]

I don't think that's the ultimate problem with Joe and Boras.  First off, we're going to have to find out if Kenny will even deal with him.  Second, if the Sox do want to bring Joe back and will deal with Boras, you know Boras is going to drag on the process and handcuff the Sox at 3rd base to the point where Kenny will just move on.

 

My point is people think if crede puts up his career numbers he will end up getting 6-8 million once he hits free agency. Boras is good... but not that good.

[fathom]

Cleveland is peaking at the wrong time for them.  Theres no way they're gonna be able to stay with the Sox who are instantly better than last season with the addition of Thome.

 

While I love the Thome move, the Indians can easily compete with the Sox next year. They're an excellent team with a lot of guys reaching their peak.

 

Also, a Pierre for C. Young deal would be AWFUL!

[Punch and Judy Garland]

My point is people think if crede puts up his career numbers he will end up getting 6-8 million once he hits free agency. Boras is good... but not that good.

 

IF Joe were a free agent today (and there were not back concerns) what do you feel he'd get in this market qwerty? Curious to hear your guess

[knightni]

IF Joe were a free agent today (and there were not back concerns) what do you feel he'd get in this market qwerty? Curious to hear your guess

Ooh ooh... Let me guess!

 

 

3 years - 6 mill per.

 

 

Boras wouldn't want long term because Crede isn't at 100% yet.

 

 

Also, Crede would still be a young guy when that contract ran out.

 

Healthy + under 30 still would equal 4-5 yr deal at 9-10 mill per in Boras' mind.

[qwerty]

IF Joe were a free agent today (and there were not back concerns) what do you feel he'd get in this market qwerty? Curious to hear your guess

 

10-12 million over three years with an option for a fourth year. He will make about the same as mueller in my opinion soley because of his defense ( mueller is really not good at third... why do i keep hearing you guys say he is?) I think crede will be more valuable than mueller two years from now... and i have never been a fan of his.

[fathom]

I'd think Crede would get like 4 year, 25 million. He's a defensive stud who's about to be in his prime years. Of course, the back injury could be a concerned. In the post steroid era, Crede put up solid power numbers from the hot corner.

[SouthSide2004]

Prediction: Sox will get Pierre for Young. I expect Pierre to go somewhere very soon. And if the Sox sign Pierre- the Cubs will once again lose out on one of there "targets" this offseason. Not to mention it would create a hell of a 1-2 punch on our team. Go for it Kenny!

 

Well, I hope your prediction is wrong. I am all for getting a CF who can bat second in the lineup, but the costs are just going to be too much. Trading away Young for one year of Pierre would be horrible. I wouldn't even trade Anderson for Pierre. Crawford on the otherhand is different. He's signed for several years at a fair price and eventually could replace Pods as our leadoff guy. Even if the Devil Rays are shopping him, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me, they are going to insist on McCarthy, who is untouchable. Therefore, unless the prices for these guys come down a lot, Anderson deserves the job. I think he would surprise a lot of people next year if he got the job.

[qwerty]

I'd think Crede would get like 4 year, 25 million.  He's a defensive stud who's about to be in his prime years.  Of course, the back injury could be a concerned.  In the post steroid era, Crede put up solid power numbers from the hot corner.

 

He said right now. Right now 3rd base is not a hot commodity. Two years from now he will get the contract you suggested... now? No way.

[SSH2005]

Prediction: Sox will get Pierre for Young. I expect Pierre to go somewhere very soon. And if the Sox sign Pierre- the Cubs will once again lose out on one of there "targets" this offseason. Not to mention it would create a hell of a 1-2 punch on our team. Go for it Kenny!

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Straight from Kenny Williams' mouth, he has absolutely no interest in Juan Pierre. I just heard him answering the Pierre question on the Score on the latest update. Kenny said that because of Brian Anderson and Jerry Owens, and even further down the line with Chris Young and Ryan Sweeney, the Sox have absolutely no interest in Juan Pierre. Kenny said that he hasn't even made a single call to the Marlins regarding Pierre.

 

That's it folks, either Brian Anderson or Jerry Owens will be starting in our outfield next season. I suspect a big reason for Kenny coming out and stating this is because the price for Pierre is ridiculously high now with many teams interested in him. The Cubs will have to overpay for his services.

Edited December 6, 2005 by SSH2005

[toasty]

Straight from Kenny Williams' mouth, he has absolutely no interest in Juan Pierre.  I just heard him answering the Pierre question on the Score on the latest update.  Kenny said that because of Brian Anderson and Jerry Owens, and even further down the line with Chris Young and Ryan Sweeney, the Sox have absolutely no interest in Juan Pierre.  Kenny said that he hasn't even made a single call to the Marlins regarding Pierre.

 

That's it folks, either Brian Anderson or Jerry Owens will be starting in our outfield next season.  I suspect a big reason for Kenny coming out and stating this is because the price for Pierre is ridiculously high now with many teams interested in him.  The Cubs will have to overpay for his services.

 

 

 

 

[Felix]

Straight from Kenny Williams' mouth, he has absolutely no interest in Juan Pierre.  I just heard him answering the Pierre question on the Score on the latest update.  Kenny said that because of Brian Anderson and Jerry Owens, and even further down the line with Chris Young and Ryan Sweeney, the Sox have absolutely no interest in Juan Pierre.  Kenny said that he hasn't even made a single call to the Marlins regarding Pierre.

 

That's it folks, either Brian Anderson or Jerry Owens will be starting in our outfield next season.  I suspect a big reason for Kenny coming out and stating this is because the price for Pierre is ridiculously high now with many teams interested in him.  The Cubs will have to overpay for his services.

First time using this smilie, but it applies for my thoughts right now:

[RibbieRubarb]

Straight from Kenny Williams' mouth, he has absolutely no interest in Juan Pierre.  I just heard him answering the Pierre question on the Score on the latest update.  Kenny said that because of Brian Anderson and Jerry Owens, and even further down the line with Chris Young and Ryan Sweeney, the Sox have absolutely no interest in Juan Pierre.  Kenny said that he hasn't even made a single call to the Marlins regarding Pierre.

 

That's it folks, either Brian Anderson or Jerry Owens will be starting in our outfield next season.  I suspect a big reason for Kenny coming out and stating this is because the price for Pierre is ridiculously high now with many teams interested in him.  The Cubs will have to overpay for his services.

 

Yeah yeah...

He said the same thing last year about AJ & Tadahito..."Absolutely No Interest!"

Remember?They were very happy going into the season with Ben Davis(whom they had just resigned) and Willie Harris.

 

Just as some people say: I'll believe it when he is on our team...I'll believe this when he is NOT on our team.

 

Kenny Williams HATES talking about what he is doing when it comes to trades. He will NEVER let on about any potential moves. He will deny and deny until it happens.

 

Now, I'm not saying it WILL happen, but don't believe for one second the White Sox are not talking to Florida.

Edited December 6, 2005 by RibbieRubarb

[southsideirish71]

Yeah yeah...

He said the same thing last year about AJ & Tadahito..."Absolutely No Interest!"

Remember?They were very happy going into the season with Ben Davis(whom they had just resigned) and Willie Harris.

 

Just as some people say: I'll believe it when he is on our team...I'll believe this when he is NOT on our team.

 

Kenny Williams HATES talking about what he is doing when it comes to trades. He will NEVER let on about any potential moves. He will deny and deny until it happens.

 

Now, I'm not saying it WILL happen, but don't believe for one second the White Sox are not talking to Florida.

 

 

Also one other point to add to this. Look at the smokescreeen going up. We are linked to to a bunch of trades. This is what we saw last year right before KW made a move. You get linked to everyone, then he swoops in and finishes the deal. Last year at soxfest KW was answering questions about Iguchi, who is this player?

[Kalapse]

Prediction: Sox will get Pierre for Young. I expect Pierre to go somewhere very soon. And if the Sox sign Pierre- the Cubs will once again lose out on one of there "targets" this offseason. Not to mention it would create a hell of a 1-2 punch on our team. Go for it Kenny!

Um, no.

[Frankensteiner]

Prediction: Sox will get Pierre for Young. I expect Pierre to go somewhere very soon. And if the Sox sign Pierre- the Cubs will once again lose out on one of there "targets" this offseason. Not to mention it would create a hell of a 1-2 punch on our team. Go for it Kenny!

 

I hope the Sox keep all of their young outfielders. When we start handing out big contracts to retain our pitchers, we're going to have to reduce salaries somewhere else. I wouldn't even be surprised by a minimum wage starting outfield of Owens/Young/Anderson in 2007.