Mr. Showtime Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Source: GM Williams says skipper gone if Sox don't make playoffs I'll post certain parts of the article: A White Sox source told the Daily Southtown on Monday that general manager Ken Williams has relayed to board chairman Jerry Reinsdorf that he will fire Manuel if the Sox do not reach the postseason. According to the source, Williams reached his decision in the wake of Manuel firing hitting coach Gary Ward — a Williams hire — on Sunday night and bringing in Triple-A Charlotte hitting coach Greg Walker. "It's like if you're fighting a decision to remove a dying tree from your yard, you hack off the dead branches first," the source said. "If that doesn't work and the tree shows no life, you have to chop it down at the trunk. "Kenny wants to be able to say that Jerry was given every chance, including his (own) coaches, and still couldn't get the job done. It will be a case of 'What else could we have done? We gave him every (opportunity).' '' Manuel, in his sixth season managing the Sox, was asked Monday whether Williams or anyone in the organization had notified him that he was in a win-or-else situation. "No, not at all," Manuel replied. "I think Jerry (Reinsdorf) has been pretty supportive of me throughout all of this. I haven't heard anything like that. "You know me, stuff like that doesn't bother me one way or the other," he added. "I'm sure there's all kinds of things floating around out there. ... It's Chicago." Pitching coach Nardi Contreras was fired midway through last season. At the end of the season, Williams told Manuel he wanted third-base coach Wallace Johnson — a close friend of Manuel — to be relieved of his duties. Manuel decided that if Johnson goes, Pettis goes as well. Both were fired the day after the 2002 season ended. The Sox owe Manuel more than $2 million on a contract that runs through 2004. Reinsdorf may not be willing to pay two managers for more than 1½ seasons, so that may be the reason Manuel is being given the entire 2003 season to produce. "It might be one of those situations where if they fall out of the playoffs in the middle of September, it could be done then," the source said. "Maybe they give Jerry the entire season. I don't know that. Any guess on my part of when it would happen would be purely speculation." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 thanks for sharing this - curious timing. I suspect we have a little war between KW and JM and their supporters - and it is being waged through sources. Last two weeks it was KW get blasted, now it is JM - and KW apparently is communicating with JM via the leaked sources in the newspaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 I'd be interested to hear from Steff and HSC on this one. How could KW being saying things like this is he is out the door? Do you think this guy has a bad source or worse yet just making stuff up? Or has Kenny saved his job at the expense of Jerry's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 t is obviously inner office warfare being waged through the media - and that is not a good sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 20-24 is not a good sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 I'd be interested to hear from Steff and HSC on this one. How could KW being saying things like this is he is out the door? Do you think this guy has a bad source or worse yet just making stuff up? Or has Kenny saved his job at the expense of Jerry's? Well, for what it's worth I have heard nothing about Jerry's job being on the line to this extent. As for Kenny's job, I have been given every indication that he no longer holds the title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 I'd be interested to hear from Steff and HSC on this one. How could KW being saying things like this is he is out the door? Do you think this guy has a bad source or worse yet just making stuff up? Or has Kenny saved his job at the expense of Jerry's? If KW was out, he would not of commented on Ward deal, and he was front and center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Manuel safe all year , Heavan help us. :fyou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 The Sox owe Manuel more than $2 million on a contract that runs through 2004. Reinsdorf may not be willing to pay two managers for more than 1½ seasons, so that may be the reason Manuel is being given the entire 2003 season to produce. "It might be one of those situations where if they fall out of the playoffs in the middle of September, it could be done then," the source said. "Maybe they give Jerry the entire season. I don't know that. Any guess on my part of when it would happen would be purely speculation." Cheap, cock-sucking, motherf***er Reinsdorf! To quote Maury..... "f*** him! f*** that cheap..... motherf***er!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iguana Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 I'd be interested to hear from Steff and HSC on this one. How could KW being saying things like this is he is out the door? Do you think this guy has a bad source or worse yet just making stuff up? Or has Kenny saved his job at the expense of Jerry's? Egg-Zakly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Egg-Zakly! I don't see it happening..... not with KW front and center like he has been during 2003's SuckFest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 If KW was out, he would not of commented on Ward deal, and he was front and center. IMO, not true. A united front until a replacement is in line....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec159row2 Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 firing kenny and jerry will probably bring the wrath of jesse jackson, I hope they count his protestors in the paid attendence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 IMO, not true. A united front until a replacement is in line....? We shall see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeportHeather Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 If this article holds any truth, wouldn't it be best to fire him NOW to stop the bleeding instead of allowing it to continue??? Bring Backman in for the rest of the season, and if he does well, keep him up here next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjmarte Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 If Jerry goes and Kenny stays I am going to be really pissed at this club. We're getting close to the breaking point for me. KW has got to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kj1832 Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Fire JM now while we still have a chance to salvage the season. Hire someone with some energy and some fire! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted May 21, 2003 Author Share Posted May 21, 2003 Cheap, cock-sucking, motherf***er Reinsdorf! To quote Maury..... "f*** him! f*** that cheap..... motherf***er!" Yeah, good ol' Maury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Gee.... leaking through unnamed sources into the press. How very upfront of KW to do it this way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iguana Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 maybe i am just being pesimistic but i just dont see anything happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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