Guest JimH Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 People like him because of what he did in 2004. You liked how he was pitching in 2005 and would make up 1,000,000 excuses for him. Like two other sox fans int he world did such a thing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's kinda how I remember it too qwerty Just goofin' with you Josh, although your Shingo love was a bit, well, misplaced considering your Marte hate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 09:14 PM) That's kinda how I remember it too qwerty Just goofin' with you Josh, although your Shingo love was a bit, well, misplaced considering your Marte hate. well i always thought Marte was a bit overrated ever since the middle of the 04 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaCWS Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 I'm not sure I get the trade. I know Marte struggled, but you can never have enough hard-throwing lefties. On the other hand, we already have three utility guys (Ozuna, Harris and Blum). What did we gain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 QUOTE(FlaCWS @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 10:13 PM) I'm not sure I get the trade. I know Marte struggled, but you can never have enough hard-throwing lefties. On the other hand, we already have three utility guys (Ozuna, Harris and Blum). What did we gain? Blum is on the Padres and Willie may not be longed for this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 QUOTE(FlaCWS @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 10:13 PM) I'm not sure I get the trade. I know Marte struggled, but you can never have enough hard-throwing lefties. On the other hand, we already have three utility guys (Ozuna, Harris and Blum). What did we gain? Blum signed with the Padres. Marte couldn't get lefties out. If you are a lefty and can't do that you have problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaCWS Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 10:15 PM) Blum is on the Padres Oops, my bad. I totally forgot. In any event, I personally wouldn't have given up on Marte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 QUOTE(FlaCWS @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 10:17 PM) Oops, my bad. I totally forgot. In any event, I personally wouldn't have given up on Marte. The problem is, Ozzie and the fans did long ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
premo Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 I don't dislike the trade, I just think that we would've gotten more for Marte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 10:27 PM) The problem is, Ozzie and the fans did long ago. Ozzie didn't. He wouldn't stop using against tough left handed hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 10:32 PM) Bulls***. Ozzie gave up on Marte a LONG time ago. That can't be why he was the last reliever out of the pen against the astros right ( not counting buehrle as a reliever)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 10:32 PM) Bulls***. Ozzie gave up on Marte a LONG time ago. why the hell was Marte put out there time after time after time even though he failed most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 So... Who is the player on the team WSJ campaigns to get rid of next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 10:39 PM) To try to boost his trade value. To try and get him out of his funk. To try and save some of the other relievers time off... Im not even going to start with you Josh. Ozzie lost faith in him once he loaded the bases with no outs in Boston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 10:41 PM) Ozzie lost faith in him once he loaded the bases with no outs in Boston. Holy s***, his faith in Damaso was gone way before then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 If the Sox don't sign Hammond I would like to see them give Arnie Munoz a shot at making the team. I think he can be an effective pitcher in the Bullpen. Forget that start against the Expos. I just hope his confidence wasn't shot after that start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 10:42 PM) Holy s***, his faith in Damaso was gone way before then. If his faith in Marte was gone before then he wouldn't of made the playoff rosters. I am not sure it was faith as much as he just always played it by the book (lefty against lefty, righty against righty). You guys might be right about him losing his faith in Marte before that but the thing that bothered me was that he kept using him even though it was obvious that he sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 10:43 PM) If the Sox don't sign Hammond I would like to see them give Arnie Munoz a shot at making the team. I think he can be an effective pitcher in the Bullpen. Forget that start against the Expos. I just hope his confidence wasn't shot after that start. They'll give lots of guys shots at making the team. Doesn't mean they have much of a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 For all those who thought that Marte was going to trott out to the mound as a member of the sox, remember with all the flash of greatness and sucess he had in the past. 1.) He hid an injury earlier in the season, and had to be taken out of a game in Colorado putting the team in a bind. Hiding injuries are on the sox list of no no's. 2.) He pretty much quit on the team during one of the most crucial times of the year. I mean in September with the Indians breathing down our necks. 3.) Ozzie said he couldnt use him at home because the boos were shaking Damaso's confidence. Did we think the boos would go away the minute he walked a few lefties. 4.) Remember the amazing El Duque get out of bases loaded an no one out in Boston was due to Marte walking some people. 5.) He couldnt get lefties out. He was more likely to hit or walk the lefty than get him out. So for all of the greatness that Marte gave us over the years, last year was a bridge burner. I like Mackowiak, and think that these tweaks are what we need. So far this has been a promising off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Dec 9, 2005 -> 12:53 AM) For all those who thought that Marte was going to trott out to the mound as a member of the sox, remember with all the flash of greatness and sucess he had in the past. 1.) He hid an injury earlier in the season, and had to be taken out of a game in Colorado putting the team in a bind. Hiding injuries are on the sox list of no no's. 2.) He pretty much quit on the team during one of the most crucial times of the year. I mean in September with the Indians breathing down our necks. 3.) Ozzie said he couldnt use him at home because the boos were shaking Damaso's confidence. Did we think the boos would go away the minute he walked a few lefties. 4.) Remember the amazing El Duque get out of bases loaded an no one out in Boston was due to Marte walking some people. 5.) He couldnt get lefties out. He was more likely to hit or walk the lefty than get him out. So for all of the greatness that Marte gave us over the years, last year was a bridge burner. I like Mackowiak, and think that these tweaks are what we need. So far this has been a promising off season. Yeah, we shouldn't have given up on Marte... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 10:50 PM) They'll give lots of guys shots at making the team. Doesn't mean they have much of a chance. well there was only one position battle last year. I just hope they give Munoz a real shot at making the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 11:11 PM) well there was only one position battle last year. I just hope they give Munoz a real shot at making the team. Well he's on the 40, so he'll be there. He started most of last year, but any chance he'd have in Chicago, would be, as you said, as a reliever. They've been jerking him around in Charlotte. He was one of Charlotte's better pitchers, but that was pretty much a tallest midget contetst down there. I'm not saying he doesn't have a shot, I'm just saying that he doesn't really have a shot. I will agree that after the Montreal debacle, he performed better out of the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevHead0881 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 (edited) Big fan of the trade. Its pretty simple: we got a guy we needed for a guy we didn't. We couldn't rely on Marte anymore, and was definitely on the outs with Ozzie. If we could have gotten more for him, it wouldn't be a whole lot more. I know hard throwing lefties "don't grow on trees", but teams don't exactly fall over themselves for left handed pitchers with less than average control and an inability to get left handed hitters out. Not to mention a player who wasn't exactly a model teammate down the stretch. Either way, Mackowiak is a guy who fills many needs: Insurance for Crede, backup OF who can also spell Iguchi from time to time, a solid left handed bat off the bench, and (maybe most importantly) the possible key to Timo's departure. Nice work Kenny! Edited December 9, 2005 by KevHead0881 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Heads22 @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 11:29 PM) Well he's on the 40, so he'll be there. He started most of last year, but any chance he'd have in Chicago, would be, as you said, as a reliever. They've been jerking him around in Charlotte. He was one of Charlotte's better pitchers, but that was pretty much a tallest midget contetst down there. I'm not saying he doesn't have a shot, I'm just saying that he doesn't really have a shot. I will agree that after the Montreal debacle, he performed better out of the pen. that sounds like something out of Dodgeball. I felt really bad for him in that Montreal game. He said that after the 2nd inning he was lobing pitches just to see if they wouldn't hit them. He was put in an awful position. Edited December 9, 2005 by White Sox Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Marte wasn't welcome here anymore, we all know Ozzie is getting what he wants on his team.. marte was gone.. and I love who they picked up, someone that can play everything execpt injured! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky3353 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 For the first guy who said "Get me Mike Myers", thats right on. Cotts was great last year, but everyone knows the bullpen is the most unpredictable position from year to year (20 bucks says Erye and Howry have ERA's around 6). We really need another lefty and i think a verteren sidearmed guy like Myers would be perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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