Heads22 Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 Per ESPN.com, sure enough, he was the PTBNL. I know some people were clinging on to hope that the PTBNL was someone else, but nope, he's gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 f***!!! I think if anything is going to bite us in the ass, its this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 In the KW as GM era, what is the all-time traded Sox "prospect/young player" team? My thoughts (not sure if some are in KW era) C: Miguel Olivo 1B: Jeff Liefer 2B: Aaron Miles SS: Michael Morse 3B: Tim Hummel RF: Jeremy Reed CF: Mike Cameron LF: Craig Wilson DH: Greg Norton SP: Kip Wells SP: Josh Fogg SP: John Rauch SP: Gio Gonzalez SP: Daniel Haigwood RP: Gary Majewski RP: Matt Ginter RP: Frankie Francisco RP: ?? RP: ?? CL: Royce Ring That team does not look too formidable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 compared to what we've gotten back i'd say he's done a helluva job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHAMBARONS Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 3B: Tim Hummel We got Hummel Back today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 QUOTE(Reddy @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 03:23 PM) compared to what we've gotten back i'd say he's done a helluva job Agree completely. I was mostly trying to point out that we gave up a lot of supposed "Can't Miss" prospects (Wells, Liefer, Rauch, etc.) and they have not necessarily torched the league as expected. Many are serviceable but perhaps the best of the bunch (Cameron) netted us Kong so I think KW has done it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randar68 Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 QUOTE(heirdog @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 01:42 PM) Agree completely. I was mostly trying to point out that we gave up a lot of supposed "Can't Miss" prospects (Wells, Liefer, Rauch, etc.) and they have not necessarily torched the league as expected. Many are serviceable but perhaps the best of the bunch (Cameron) netted us Kong so I think KW has done it right. Liefer???? LOL! That guy was marginal from day 1. Wells crapped his pants regularly in the majors prior to being traded. At one time some considered Wells and Rauch as "Can't Miss", but Liefer was never in that picture. On that entire list, when they were actually traded, only really Reed and Cameron were considered "Can't Miss". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSFAN35 Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 QUOTE(Randar68 @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 02:17 PM) Liefer???? LOL! That guy was marginal from day 1. Wells crapped his pants regularly in the majors prior to being traded. At one time some considered Wells and Rauch as "Can't Miss", but Liefer was never in that picture. On that entire list, when they were actually traded, only really Reed and Cameron were considered "Can't Miss". Liefer was supposed to be a 30 + home run hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 QUOTE(Randar68 @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 04:17 PM) Liefer???? LOL! That guy was marginal from day 1. Wells crapped his pants regularly in the majors prior to being traded. At one time some considered Wells and Rauch as "Can't Miss", but Liefer was never in that picture. On that entire list, when they were actually traded, only really Reed and Cameron were considered "Can't Miss". Then I guess Liefer was accidentally picked in the first round since he was marginal from Day 1. I was going to include Reed in the can't miss list but he hasn't necessarily "missed" yet since one season may not be enough to judge. So Randar, do you consider Gio or Haigwood as "can't miss?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 Gio is pretty much the best arm in our system however, sucks to let him go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randar68 Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(heirdog @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 02:42 PM) Then I guess Liefer was accidentally picked in the first round since he was marginal from Day 1. I was going to include Reed in the can't miss list but he hasn't necessarily "missed" yet since one season may not be enough to judge. So Randar, do you consider Gio or Haigwood as "can't miss?" 1st round pick means "can't miss?" That's news to me! How's that "can't miss" Jason Dellaero doing for ya? How about Mark Johnson? Neither Gio nor Haigwood is a "Can't miss" prospect. Haigwood played a fraction of a year in AA and has no tools that would stand out and wow you. He has an MLB curve, that's it. Gio? How can a kid with his durability concerns be called "can't miss"? So, by your definition you can only call someone "can't miss" if they actually missed? *BOGGLE* Edited December 8, 2005 by Randar68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randar68 Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 03:00 PM) Gio is pretty much the best arm in our system however, sucks to let him go. See, I just don't agree with this... Best "Pitcher"? Best "arm"? Lumsden has better all-around stuff than Gio and throws mid-90's. If "Arm" = "Stuff", I would rate Gio 2nd or 3rd. Symantics I guess. Gio has a lot of ability but his mechanics really concerned me from the day he was drafted. He hasn't been able to stay healthy yet either. Nothing too serious we know about, but still... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulokis Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 Its pretty tough to lose Gio. I thought PTBNL usually are not prospects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 QUOTE(bulokis @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 01:20 PM) Its pretty tough to lose Gio. I thought PTBNL usually are not prospects? They called him a PTBNL until after the Rule 5 draft...the White Sox held onto him so that the Phillies wouldn't have to find other people to remove from their list of "protected" folks, or however that works. (The Phils got 3 players while the Sox only got 1, so that would have required the Phils to have 2 open slots for those 2 players or they'd be at risk from the draft). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 QUOTE(bulokis @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 03:20 PM) Its pretty tough to lose Gio. I thought PTBNL usually are not prospects? They're almost always prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Since when did KW trade Mike Cameron for Paul Konerko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 KW is doing this perfectly, he has position player prospects to replace everyone down the road, and he can use the money to keep the pitching staff in tact (for the most part). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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