BEARSSSSSSSSSSSSSS vs Steelers

[Jordan4life_2007]

And for the record, I don't hate Orton. I think he can one day become a solid NFL qb. He's just not ready for this now. He was forced into a role that he wasn't ready for. He probably did as good a job as he was capable. But there's a division to be won. It's Grossman time!

[Pierzynski 12]

Vikings now 1 game behind us for first place.You suck Orton!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jordan4life_2007]

Vikings now 1 game behind us for first place.You suck Orton!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Well, it's actually two games since we hold the tiebreaker over them for the time being. Looks like the last week of the season is gonna be HUGE.

[Pierzynski 12]

Well,  it's actually two games since we hold the tiebreaker over them for the time being.  Looks like the last week of the season is gonna be HUGE.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Lovie-Kyle is only a rookie so lets stick with a guy who can't pass for 100 yards.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Well,  it's actually two games since we hold the tiebreaker over them for the time being.  Looks like the last week of the season is gonna be HUGE.

 

 

Bears get 1 more cookie with Green Bay on Christmas but sandwiched with tough games against Atlanta and, of course, Minny. Its gonna be dicey.

 

 

They win next week against Atlanta they have a good shot at locking up the division cause Pitt goes to Minny next week.

[Gene Honda Civic]

I've been saying this all throughout the winning streak.  The defense was going to have an off day and the question would be could the offense step up.  Well,  Kyle Orton answered that one for us today.  Because we all know 21 points given up by the defense is SOOOOOOO insurmountable.

You're still not getting it.

 

It's not a singular player.

 

If I was charting the game, I would say the Stillers ran for about 150 of their rush yards between the tackles, and allowed 0 sacks. The bears got about 20 of their rush yards between the tackles, and allowed 3 sacks.

 

The point of attack was dominated on both sides of the ball by the Stillers. Orton has nothing to do with that.

 

What you saw today was one football team imposing it's will on the other. Even when the bears were on their streak -- wait, I should say after Thomas Jones got injured -- they haven't been a power running team. They've been a finesse rushing team. AND even a finesse defensive team. They've relied on defensive speed more than anything. That was exploited today in the adverse conditions where the bears had to chop their steps to keep their footing. They couldn't fly to the ball. -- The Bears are a turf team right now. They got beat in the snow by a team that was better equiped to play in those conditions. There's not much your QB is going to do about that. See: Peyton in Foxboro

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

You're still not getting it.

 

It's not a singular player.

 

If I was charting the game, I would say the Stillers ran for about 150 of their rush yards between the tackles, and allowed 0 sacks. The bears got about 20 of their rush yards between the tackles, and allowed 3 sacks.

 

The point of attack was dominated on both sides of the ball by the Stillers. Orton has nothing to do with that.

 

What you saw today was one football team imposing it's will on the other. Even when the bears were on their streak -- wait, I should say after Thomas Jones got injured -- they haven't been a power running team. They've been a finesse rushing team. AND even a finesse defensive team. They've relied on defensive speed more than anything. That was exploited today in the adverse conditions where the bears had to chop their steps to keep their footing. They couldn't fly to the ball. -- The Bears are a turf team right now. They got beat in the snow by a team that was better equiped to play in those conditions. There's not much your QB is going to do about that. See: Peyton in Foxboro

 

 

Bears couldn't get any pressure on Ben all day. He had all kinds of time to find his recievers and that got them their lead. Once they got their lead they handed off to Bettis and that other guy and that was that. Steelers offensive line won that game for them today.

 

As for Orton, it finally got left to him to go out and win a game and he failed, not miserably, but he failed none the less. I also hate how the Bears abandoned the running game in the 1st half. Jones didn't get many carries and Peterson basically got the day off.

Edited December 11, 2005 by NUKE_CLEVELAND

[WHarris1]

We were f***ed as soon as we for some reason threw from the 3 yard line on 2nd down with a chance to tie.

[Jordan4life_2007]

You're still not getting it.

 

It's not a singular player.

 

If I was charting the game, I would say the Stillers ran for about 150 of their rush yards between the tackles, and allowed 0 sacks. The bears got about 20 of their rush yards between the tackles, and allowed 3 sacks.

 

The point of attack was dominated on both sides of the ball by the Stillers. Orton has nothing to do with that.

 

What you saw today was one football team imposing it's will on the other. Even when the bears were on their streak -- wait, I should say after Thomas Jones got injured -- they haven't been a power running team. They've been a finesse rushing team. AND even a finesse defensive team. They've relied on defensive speed more than anything. That was exploited today in the adverse conditions where the bears had to chop their steps to keep their footing. They couldn't fly to the ball. -- The Bears are a turf team right now. They got beat in the snow by a team that was better equiped to play in those conditions. There's not much your QB is going to do about that. See: Peyton in Foxboro

 

I don't think anybody is putting this loss all on Orton. The Bears didn't play well today. Period. But you know what they say, if you're not part of the solution, you know the rest. Orton got the job by default. He didn't earn it. You drafted Grossman in the first round for a reason. If he's healthy, start him.

[Rex Kickass]

Bears get 1 more cookie with Green Bay on Christmas but sandwiched with tough games against Atlanta and, of course, Minny.  Its gonna be dicey. 

They win next week against Atlanta they have a good shot at locking up the division cause Pitt goes to Minny next week.

 

I wouldn't call the Pack a cookie either. They've lost a ton, but they haven't really gotten blown out that often this year. Favre has kept his crappy team in games this year and I'd never count them out. But the Bears will probably win.

[lord chas]

faneca just manhandled urlacher all day

[Chisoxfn]

If anyone wants to blame Orton for this loss, than its quite clear that they have absolutely zero football knowledge.

 

This game was lost because our defense played like absolute s***. They must have blown 30 tackles today. At least two of those TD drives would not have happened if the Bears had tackled properly (there were quite a few 3rd down conversions where the Bears had the plays stopped at the LOS and missed and than they'd break out 10 yard plays or more to get 1st downs.

 

It was absolutely pathetic. No one should point a finger at Orton this week and if they do they are obviously an idiot. Now you can go out and say Grossman is a better player than Orton but I think anyone that says that is nuts and is just assuming that our other option is better. Plus I don't think Grossman is as ready as all of you think he is.

 

Regardless, this game showed a trend and thats since the 2nd half of the Bucs game our defense has looked suspect. I thought we were going to lose the game to the Packers and realistically we should have (they came up with a few big plays that changed that game, but the Pack out played us and were able to move the ball all over the field) and the Steelers did more of the same.

 

The Bears were relying on arm tackles and were rarely the swarming defense they have been for the most part of the season. I hope this is an eye-opener for them and that they stop listen to the media and everyone drooling over there defense cause the media doesn't make tackles, the players do and they got to run through on the tackles.

[Chisoxfn]

Lovie-Kyle is only a rookie so lets stick with a guy who can't pass for 100 yards.

No, he passed for 200 yards and didn't really make any horrible mistakes. In fact he made some really nice passes. I don't think any NFL expert could possibly rip Orton for the game he had today. This game was an asswhooping and it had zero to do with Kyle.

[Chisoxfn]

Bears couldn't get any pressure on Ben all day.  He had all kinds of time to find his recievers and that got them their lead.  Once they got their lead they handed off to Bettis and that other guy and that was that.  Steelers offensive line won that game for them today. 

 

As for Orton,  it finally got left to him to go out and win a game and he failed, not miserably, but he failed none the less.  I also hate how the Bears abandoned the running game in the 1st half.  Jones didn't get many carries and Peterson basically got the day off.

They couldn't get pressure on him because the Steelers were running all day long and the line wasn't able to just go up field. We were burned on screens, outside runs and eventually a lot of inside runs. There was no chance to ever just go after Big Ben because we never really put them in 3rd and long situations (or true pass situations) and the few times we got them there, they would go with screen plays or short plays and we'd miss tackles and they'd get 1st downs.

 

It was a horrid performance by our defense and this game had zero to do with Orton. In fact, considering the conditions Orton played a pretty good game. The Bears do need Ced back, because he is the one back on this team that can run up the middle and with authority. I'm not saying he should start, but ocassionally hammering with him will be helpful.

 

I think this is a loss that will put the Bears back into perspective and they are going to come out and play one of there best games of the season Sunday night against Atlanta.

[Jordan4life_2007]

If anyone wants to blame Orton for this loss, than its quite clear that they have absolutely zero football knowledge.

 

This game was lost because our defense played like absolute s***.  They must have blown 30 tackles today.  At least two of those TD drives would not have happened if the Bears had tackled properly (there were quite a few 3rd down conversions where the Bears had the plays stopped at the LOS and missed and than they'd break out 10 yard plays or more to get 1st downs.

 

It was absolutely pathetic. No one should point a finger at Orton this week and if they do they are obviously an idiot. Now you can go out and say Grossman is a better player than Orton but I think anyone that says that is nuts and is just assuming that our other option is better.  Plus I don't think Grossman is as ready as all of you think he is. 

 

Regardless, this game showed a trend and thats since the 2nd half of the Bucs game our defense has looked suspect.  I thought we were going to lose the game to the Packers and realistically we should have (they came up with a few big plays that changed that game, but the Pack out played us and were able to move the ball all over the field) and the Steelers did more of the same.

 

The Bears were relying on arm tackles and were rarely the swarming defense they have been for the most part of the season.  I hope this is an eye-opener for them and that they stop listen to the media and everyone drooling over there defense cause the media doesn't make tackles, the players do and they got to run through on the tackles.

 

Well, you kinda made my argument for me. The Bears d was off today. I won't dispute that at all. But i've been saying for weeks that one off week by the Bears d would result in an automatic loss. We had no chance once we got behind. Orton wasn't horrible today, but he wasn't good either. We're gettin down to the nitty/gritty now. The Vikings are on a Cleveland Indians like run right now. If we want to win this division, we need more from our qb. We can't rely on the d to be dominate every week.

[Chisoxfn]

Well,  you kinda made my argument for me.  The Bears d was off today.  I won't dispute that at all.  But i've been saying for weeks that one off week by the Bears d would result in an automatic loss.  We had no chance once we got behind.  Orton wasn't horrible today,  but he wasn't good either.  We're gettin down to the nitty/gritty now.  The Vikings are on a Cleveland Indians like run right now.  If we want to win this division,  we need more from our qb.  We can't rely on the d to be dominate every week.

We aren't going to win when the defense is off. The same can be said for the White Sox. We weren't going to win if our starting pitching sucked.

 

Fact of the matter is we are built on defense and the ground game. If both are off we have no chance, regardless of whose at the helm. We don't have the talent to beat teams via the air and I'm not talking about Grossman.

 

I'm talking about a lack of experience at WR (although I really like Berrian, but its just his 2nd week back) and I think Mushin is strong. We still lack any weapons at TE (Clark is a f***ing bum) and our WR's are idiots when it comes to helping out and coming back when our QB is pressured (aside from Mushin).

 

This team isn't there offensively and isn't capable to play come from behind football. If our defense plays like it did today we won't win, and thats not Orton's fault. This team isn't capable of winning when the D plays poorly.

[WHarris1]

The Bears defense gave up 21 WHOLE POINTS OMGWTF?!?!

Sure the defense played bad but 21 points is not somethign that cannot be overcome by an even mediocre defense. Orton completed under 50% of his thros and a lot of his yards were in "garbage time"

[Chisoxfn]

The Bears defense gave up 21 WHOLE POINTS OMGWTF?!?!

Sure the defense played bad but 21 points is not somethign that cannot be overcome by an even mediocre defense.  Orton completed under 50% of his thros and a lot of his yards were in "garbage time"

Umm, they gave up 21 and were dominate the entire game. Points aren't the only sign. The Bears got clocked and if the weather was better and they weren't just closing the game out by stalling, they could have scored more.

 

Offensively we had no chance at winning this game. You all are idiots to think that we can win a shootout, we can't. Not with Orton, not with Grossman. Unless we have Peyton or Farve or another top QB we aren't going to do that. Were not built around that.

 

Thats like asking a Hummer to win the Indy 500, it won't happen. A hummer could win some off-road challenge though.

 

We need to play our game and when our defense isn't doing is job we have no chance. Plain and simple and there is nothing the Bears can do about that. It doens't have the personel to be a high scoring offense and it won't win high scoring games (unless the defense is getting us field position and the offense takes advtange of the short field).

[nitetrain8601]

Umm, they gave up 21 and were dominate the entire game.  Points aren't the only sign.  The Bears got clocked and if the weather was better and they weren't just closing the game out by stalling, they could have scored more. 

 

Offensively we had no chance at winning this game.  You all are idiots to think that we can win a shootout, we can't.  Not with Orton, not with Grossman.  Unless we have Peyton or Farve or another top QB we aren't going to do that.  Were not built around that. 

 

Thats like asking a Hummer to win the Indy 500, it won't happen.  A hummer could win some off-road challenge though. 

 

We need to play our game and when our defense isn't doing is job we have no chance.  Plain and simple and there is nothing the Bears can do about that.  It doens't have the personel to be a high scoring offense and it won't win high scoring games (unless the defense is getting us field position and the offense takes advtange of the short field).

 

Since when is 21 points a shootout?

[WHarris1]

Umm, they gave up 21 and were dominate the entire game.  Points aren't the only sign.  The Bears got clocked and if the weather was better and they weren't just closing the game out by stalling, they could have scored more. 

 

Offensively we had no chance at winning this game.  You all are idiots to think that we can win a shootout, we can't.  Not with Orton, not with Grossman.  Unless we have Peyton or Farve or another top QB we aren't going to do that.  Were not built around that. 

 

Thats like asking a Hummer to win the Indy 500, it won't happen.  A hummer could win some off-road challenge though. 

 

We need to play our game and when our defense isn't doing is job we have no chance.  Plain and simple and there is nothing the Bears can do about that.  It doens't have the personel to be a high scoring offense and it won't win high scoring games (unless the defense is getting us field position and the offense takes advtange of the short field).

So just becuase we aren't able to win shootouts it's acceptable for Orton to throw under 50%? It's acceptable for to consider 200 yards a great game?

 

The Bears scored NINE points today, it doesn't matter how the defense plays they can't overcome an offense that inept.

 

And who the f*** said we could win a shootout in the first place?

[Chisoxfn]

So just becuase we aren't able to win shootouts it's acceptable for Orton to throw under 50%?  It's acceptable for to consider 200 yards a great game?

 

The Bears scored NINE points today, it doesn't matter how the defense plays they can't overcome an offense that inept.

 

And who the f*** said we could win a shootout in the first place?

You all asked for a 200 yard game. I never did. I asked for us to win and I've long said if Orton is throwing for a bunch of yards it means were playing catchup and are screwed.

 

I know how the Bears can win and when we don't play our game we have no chance. With Orton or with Rex.

[Chisoxfn]

Since when is 21 points a shootout?

Did you guys watch this game. You act as if they only had 21 points. They scored 21 and moved it all day long after that but were playing a time game and field position game. THey could have rolled up another 10-14 on us easily.

 

They would have been stupid to try it though cause you never know what could happen (turnover, tipped ball, etc). They got way out ahead and this was not even close. Maybe a 21-9 game says its semi close, but if you watched it you knew this could just as well been a 35-10 game.

[Jordan4life_2007]

We aren't going to win when the defense is off.  The same can be said for the White Sox.  We weren't going to win if our starting pitching sucked. 

 

Fact of the matter is we are built on defense and the ground game.  If both are off we have no chance, regardless of whose at the helm.  We don't have the talent to beat teams via the air and I'm not talking about Grossman.

 

I'm talking about a lack of experience at WR (although I really like Berrian, but its just his 2nd week back) and I think Mushin is strong.  We still lack any weapons at TE (Clark is a f***ing bum) and our WR's are idiots when it comes to helping out and coming back when our QB is pressured (aside from Mushin). 

 

This team isn't there offensively and isn't capable to play come from behind football.  If our defense plays like it did today we won't win, and thats not Orton's fault.  This team isn't capable of winning when the D plays poorly.

 

I agree with most of this. But I look at it like this, as bad as the d was today, we only gave up 21 points. It's not like they dropped 40 on us. Any team with any SB aspirations should be able to score 21 points. Now our situation is different. We have a rookie qb he shouldn't be in there in the first place. And we've got Grossman, a first round pick, who was the no doubt about it starter for this team before he got hurt, just about healthy. I don't believe for a second that Grossman isn't an upgrade from Orton. If he's not, then somebody needs to get fired for wasting a first round pick on him.

 

I'm a greedy mofo, I know I probably shouldn't be, especially since my dream of the Sox winning the World Series finally happened, but I want the Bears to win a SB. And in this year of a wide open NFC, it's possible to atleast get there. I want to see the guys out there who give us the best chance to get to the SB. And that's just not Orton. I know you probably disagree. Will just see what happens.

[Chisoxfn]

By the way, I think all of you taht are whining and complaining are pointing the finger at the wrong guy. Point the finger at the defense cause thats who deserves the blame. If they don't play there game, we don't win.

 

Its just like saying if Jake Plummer doesn't force balls the Bronco's will likely win.

 

Every team has a thing they do well (at least good teams) and if they do that thing well, they will more likely than not win the game. If the Bears play strong defense, we should win.

[WHarris1]

By the way, I think all of you taht are whining and complaining are pointing the finger at the wrong guy.  Point the finger at the defense cause thats who deserves the blame.  If they don't play there game, we don't win.

 

Its just like saying if Jake Plummer doesn't force balls the Bronco's will likely win. 

 

Every team has a thing they do well (at least good teams) and if they do that thing well, they will more likely than not win the game.  If the Bears play strong defense, we should win.

Ok so if the defense has a bad game it's just ok for the offense to f***ing blow? Interesting.

 

You cannot possibly expect this defense to hold teams under 10 week in a week out when they are on the field over 30 minutes every f***in game. That's just insane.

Edited December 11, 2005 by WHarris1