SoxFan1 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 And I firmly believe KW will be smart enough to turn down any kind of deal that doesnt benefit the team. Last time we almost traded Garland, it worked out well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerB's Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Maybe I missed this or maybe I didnt feel like reading the 26 pages of bickering but why is it assumed that Garland is part of the deal? From the article on whitesox.com: Garland figures to earn in the $6 million range through arbitration, but could be replaced by Brandon McCarthy in the rotation if he was shipped to another team. Of course, the White Sox would prefer to move Orlando 'El Duque' Hernandez and his $4.5 million salary, along with a prospect, setting up one of the best rotations in baseball with Mark Buehrle, Freddy Garcia, Vazquez, Garland and Contreras. The idea of that rotation made me happy in the pants area. So why not ship Chris Young and someone else like Josh Fields for Javier Vasquez and keep Garland around until the end of the season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(FGarcia34 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 09:06 PM) Maybe I missed this or maybe I didnt feel like reading the 26 pages of bickering but why is it assumed that Garland is part of the deal? From the article on whitesox.com: Garland figures to earn in the $6 million range through arbitration, but could be replaced by Brandon McCarthy in the rotation if he was shipped to another team. Of course, the White Sox would prefer to move Orlando 'El Duque' Hernandez and his $4.5 million salary, along with a prospect, setting up one of the best rotations in baseball with Mark Buehrle, Freddy Garcia, Vazquez, Garland and Contreras. The idea of that rotation made me happy in the pants area. So why not ship Chris Young and someone else like Josh Fields for Javier Vasquez and keep Garland around until the end of the season? Because Mccarthy will be better then Vaz imo and there is no point to set him back a year. If this trade were made Garland would be gone one way or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerB's Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 09:09 PM) Because Mccarthy will be better then Vaz imo and there is no point to set him back a year. If this trade were made Garland would be gone one way or another. That makes sense but if Garland isnt involved in the Vazquez deal then they could trade him for some very good talent since his trade value is pretty high right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GasHeGone Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(FGarcia34 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 10:06 PM) Maybe I missed this or maybe I didnt feel like reading the 26 pages of bickering but why is it assumed that Garland is part of the deal? From the article on whitesox.com: Garland figures to earn in the $6 million range through arbitration, but could be replaced by Brandon McCarthy in the rotation if he was shipped to another team. Of course, the White Sox would prefer to move Orlando 'El Duque' Hernandez and his $4.5 million salary, along with a prospect, setting up one of the best rotations in baseball with Mark Buehrle, Freddy Garcia, Vazquez, Garland and Contreras. The idea of that rotation made me happy in the pants area. So why not ship Chris Young and someone else like Josh Fields for Javier Vasquez and keep Garland around until the end of the season? My pet peeve: People who want in-demand players for below-the-Mendoza-line scrubs (ie - Vazquez for Chris Young and Fields. Are you serious?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerB's Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(GasHeGone @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 09:13 PM) My pet peeve: People who want in-demand players for below-the-Mendoza-line scrubs (ie - Vazquez for Chris Young and Fields. Are you serious?) Hey, its not like I just brought this up on my own, I read it in the article and felt it was worth talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Hey, its not like I just brought this up on my own, I read it in the article and felt it was worth talking about. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The article mentioned Chris Young but not Josh Fields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerB's Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 09:16 PM) The article mentioned Chris Young but not Josh Fields. I was just throwing a name out there, but if you want to go by the article then El Duque and Young for Vazquez, now we all know that isnt going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(FGarcia34 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 10:17 PM) I was just throwing a name out there, but if you want to go by the article then El Duque and Young for Vazquez, now we all know that isnt going to happen. either way, Garland or Contreras were included. The White Sox feel too good about B-Mac to not have him start next year... and so do I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 kind of odd to see an article on the OFFICAL White Sox website that speaks of the Vazquez deal... kind of makes you think its inevitable. http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...t=.jsp&c_id=cws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerB's Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 09:18 PM) either way, Garland or Contreras were included. The White Sox feel too good about B-Mac to not have him start next year... and so do I. But wouldnt it be smarter to save Garland from this trade and deal him off to someone else before the season starts? With him going 18-10 last year, some team will surely give up some big talent to get this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 kind of odd to see an article on the OFFICAL White Sox website that speaks of the Vazquez deal... kind of makes you think its inevitable. http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...t=.jsp&c_id=cws <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Great point. When they start posting the rumors at WhiteSox.com, something must be up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(GasHeGone @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:13 AM) My pet peeve: People who want in-demand players for below-the-Mendoza-line scrubs (ie - Vazquez for Chris Young and Fields. Are you serious?) Do we need 7 starters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerB's Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 No, we do not need seven starters. Therefore trade El Duque, Young, and someone else for Vazquez, then turn around and trade Garland either before the season or at the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 No, we do not need seven starters. Therefore trade El Duque, Young, and someone else for Vazquez, then turn around and trade Garland either before the season or at the deadline. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'd rather trade Garland for Vazquez + cash and keep Chris Young, if that's a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 10:55 PM) I'd rather trade Garland for Vazquez + cash and keep Chris Young, if that's a possibility. We know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 God this deal makes me want to wretch. Vasquez is overated, he posted a era+ of 96 last year. He's a gopherball pitcher who will be playing in the bandbox of the Cell? No thanks. Screw 2 years from now, this team has a chance to repeat, Vasquez weakens that chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I just don't like the deal at all. I am weary of trading Garland. Think about what happened to PK before last season. They had a deal but he declined because he wanted to test the free-agent waters. Nothing was said during the season. We win the WS and he re-signs without a hitch. Hopefully the case is the same with Garland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowand's rowdies Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 exactly, im sorry, i want big Jon back. screw 2007 and on, we want to win this yr. sure vasquez could be a good fit here, but Garland has proven that he is. if he walks after this season, ok. resign contreras, you still have buehrle, garcia, and mccarthy. thats 4 quality starters. then either sign a FA starter or work up a minor leaguer. or how about this, NEAL FOCKING COTTS. Why not give him one more yr in the pen and then wham. 2006 Buehrle Garcia Garland Contreras McCarthy/Duque 2007 Buehrle Garcia Contreras McCarthy Cotts Nothing wrong with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 10:18 PM) I just don't like the deal at all. I am weary of trading Garland. Think about what happened to PK before last season. They had a deal but he declined because he wanted to test the free-agent waters. Nothing was said during the season. We win the WS and he re-signs without a hitch. Hopefully the case is the same with Garland. Um, The White Sox were the ones who wanted to wait for the offseason to resign PK. And if you don't call what just happened in the offseason prior to us resigning PK a hitch, then I don't know what your definition would be. People don't realize that the Angels were pretty close in getting PK. Garland is a pitcher. An average pitcher these days demands 10 million. Garland will surely get 12 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 After reading that article on the official site, I think it's a matter of when, not if, either Garland or Contreras gets traded. I would put the percentage at about 95 pct likely Garland goes, and I think it will happen within the next 10 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:33 AM) After reading that article on the official site, I think it's a matter of when, not if, either Garland or Contreras gets traded. I would put the percentage at about 95 pct likely Garland goes, and I think it will happen within the next 10 days. ...which makes me want to barf an cry at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 After reading that article on the official site, I think it's a matter of when, not if, either Garland or Contreras gets traded. I would put the percentage at about 95 pct likely Garland goes, and I think it will happen within the next 10 days. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Diamondbacks have until March 15th, 2006 to trade Vazquez but I think it will happen sooner rather than later towards the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 GOOD we'll be able to fix vazquez s***, even if he is our fifth starter BEHIND bmac.... here are my predictions for a healthy front 5 contreras- 19 - 10 burhle - 17 - 8 garcia - 16 - 12 b-mac - 15 - 13 vazquez - 14 - 12 thats 81 wins from our starters and i dont think that any of those people arent capable of those numbers if healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulokis Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I dont like the idea of Vazquez going to the sox. First off he did not want to play here. I also dont want to give up Garland and knowing KW he will give up another prospect. If I am to trade a SP off our rotation it will be El Duque or Contreras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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