3E8 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:38 PM) Garland was more major league ready when he came up then McCarthy is now and how many people tried to run him out of town. When Garland came up he was younger, had less experience, and stats not as impressive as McCarthy's. How was he more major league ready? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(3E8 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:43 AM) When Garland came up he was younger, had less experience, and stats not as impressive as McCarthy's. How was he more major league ready? Because nobody seems to be checking their facts these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:41 AM) Borchard was not the 5th pick overall. The Sox haven't had a top ten pick since ... who? Thomas? Fernandez? ok, I just remember hearing Sox got excellent value when they picked him because no one expected him to sign to play baseball since he was also a possible 1st round football pick the next year. So maybe he was like 15th, but people were saying he was top ten value... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(3E8 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:43 AM) When Garland came up he was younger, had less experience, and stats not as impressive as McCarthy's. How was he more major league ready? He wasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:44 AM) Because nobody seems to be checking their facts these days. Or just tossing s*** at the walls and going with what happens to stick. Your arm tired? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 09:41 AM) Borchard was not the 5th pick overall. The Sox haven't had a top ten pick since ... who? Thomas? Fernandez? Borchard would have been a top-5 pick but he fell because other teams didn't want to pay his signing bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I don't know if this has been posted, but it looks like the D-Backs will pay $8 million: The Diamondbacks, who also have agreed to pay $8 million of the remaining $23 million in Vazquez's contract over the next two years http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/20...s-vazquez_x.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:58 AM) Out of f***ing line. Yet I am not surprised. Agreed. It was out of line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(WinninUgly @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:00 PM) I don't know if this has been posted, but it looks like the D-Backs will pay $8 million: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/20...s-vazquez_x.htm Wow. Considering they initially weren't willing to pay anything in a Vazquez deal, that's shocking. It also goes to show what they think of Chris Young. With Vizcaino arb eligible, the money is close to a wash this season with Duque getting 4.5 Vizcaino around 2.0 and 4.0 from the D-Backs, that's only $1 million the Sox are adding to the payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I don't know if this has been posted, but it looks like the D-Backs will pay $8 million: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/20...s-vazquez_x.htm <{POST_SNAPBACK}> f***ing awesome! WOOHOOO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 01:04 PM) Wow. Considering they initially weren't willing to pay anything in a Vazquez deal, that's shocking. It also goes to show what they think of Chris Young. With Vizcaino arb eligible, the money is close to a wash this season with Duque getting 4.5 Vizcaino around 2.0 and 4.0 from the D-Backs, that's only $1 million the Sox are adding to the payroll. Only adding about $1 mill to the payroll makes this deal worth it. Great job again KW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(WinninUgly @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:00 PM) I don't know if this has been posted, but it looks like the D-Backs will pay $8 million: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/20...s-vazquez_x.htm So the Yankees, Philles and D/Backs are giving us almost $30M to field a compeitive team???? Amazing. At $7.5M a year this is a great deal. I am sorry Willie Mays Jr. had to go. I find it somewhat interesting that Young and Rowand are gone but Anderson is still here. I like Wilder and think he knows what he is doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Borchard went #12 overall. That was the highest since Bobby Seay in 1996 was also drafted #12. Alex Fernandez is the only top 10 pick since 1990, when he went #4 overall. There only major differences between Garland and McCarthy are their performances that year. Garland was much better in the minors that year, but got shelled in the majors. McCarthy was having a less than stellar year in the minors and during his first callup, but was very good in his second shot with the club. I'd say his pitching performance toward the end of the year more clearly displayed he was ready than Garland's 6+ ERA in his first year with the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:58 AM) Out of f***ing line. Yet I am not surprised. Too early for jokes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyho7476 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 01:10 PM) Too early for jokes? I once hit a guy in the face with spaghetti and an Italian dude ate him. Its no laughing matter. Sorry, that was dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:10 PM) I once hit a guy in the face with spaghetti and an Italian dude ate him. Its no laughing matter. Sorry, that was dumb. B for the effort though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(WinninUgly @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 10:00 AM) I don't know if this has been posted, but it looks like the D-Backs will pay $8 million: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/20...s-vazquez_x.htm That is excellent news. That may very well mean that we can resign either Contreras or Garland with ease now, and thus have 5 guaranteed starters for 2 years (and hopefully more, if KW does what he should and caves in to every single demand by Cy Buehrle) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(WinninUgly @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 01:00 PM) I don't know if this has been posted, but it looks like the D-Backs will pay $8 million: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/20...s-vazquez_x.htm Wow. Sox need to extend KW's contract next! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 01:07 PM) So the Yankees, Philles and D/Backs are giving us almost $30M to field a compeitive team???? Amazing. At $7.5M a year this is a great deal. I am sorry Willie Mays Jr. had to go. I find it somewhat interesting that Young and Rowand are gone but Anderson is still here. I like Wilder and think he knows what he is doing. That $30 Million will probably be more than the full team payrolls of the Marlins or Devil Rays in 2006! Edited December 14, 2005 by WinninUgly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 To get Vasquez for crappy LV, Young who was not in future plans really and there oldest player on team who was gone next year anyway is brilliant on KW part, I think Garlang may go If Contreras signs an extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(Soxfest @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:24 PM) To get Vasquez for crappy LV, Young who was not in future plans really and there oldest player on team who was gone next year anyway is brilliant on KW part, I think Garlang may go If Contreras signs an extension. Chris Young was most definately in the future plans. As of yesterday he was on pace to be our starting CF in '07. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 10:28 AM) Chris Young was most definately in the future plans. As of yesterday he was on pace to be our starting CF in '07. Now it'll just have to be Anderson. Let's hope he's up to the challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 01:28 PM) Chris Young was most definately in the future plans. As of yesterday he was on pace to be our starting CF in '07. Young can go Anderson will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 The Sox now have the best Rotation in baseball and a rotation that could have 5 15 game winners. Vizcaino is Vizcaino IMHO. He won't make much of an impact anyways. El Duque is the guy I am concerned about however you have to give up something to get something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 (edited) +$11.5 million (Vazquez's 2006 salary) -$4.0 million (cash from Diamondbacks) -$4.5 million (El Duque's 2006 salary) -$1.5 million (Vizcaino's estimated 2006 salary) ---------------------------------------------- +$1.5 million The Sox will only be adding $1.5 million to their 2006 salary with the addition of Javier Vazquez. Edited December 14, 2005 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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