Sox Acquire Javier Vazquez

[White Sox Josh]

There's a way around the system. The Yankees did it with Matsui. If he wasn't signed by a certain date, they would have to waive him. Maybe something like that is going on with Contreras because everything I read says he will be a free agent, but he's certainly short in the service department.

that's it i think. El Duque didn't become a Free Agent until he played 6 years. How about just playing it out with Garland and maybe he will come to his senses and accept the deal that the Sox have on the table.

[SSH2005]

that's it i think.  El Duque didn't become a Free Agent until he played 6 years.  How about just playing it out with Garland and maybe he will come to his senses and accept the deal that the Sox have on the table.

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If KW is truly considering dealing Garland, he must be pretty sure that Garland is intent on going for a massive payday after 2006. And honestly, why wouldn't he? Look at the contract A.J. Burnett just received and he's been plagued with injuries over his career. 31 year old Kevin Millwood is going to get a massive contract soon as well. Garland will only be 27 after 2006 and he has never had any significant injuries. I personally think that Garland wants wants to get a big long-term contract from a west coast team like the Angels so he can go back home.

Edited December 14, 2005 by SSH2005

[Gene Honda Civic]

How about just playing it out with Garland and maybe he will come to his senses and accept the deal that the Sox have on the table.

No. Coming to his senses wouldn't be signing a deal right now.

 

No agent in his right mind would allow that. Given the current market, Garland could be due 6yrs/$70 at free agency next year. He's going to make about $7M this year no matter what.

 

So he can either go to arbitration, then free agency, and make about $77M over 7 years; or he can sign a 3yr/30M deal with the Sox, delaying his free agency by two years in the process.

 

Now which would you do?

[SSH2005]

No. Coming to his senses wouldn't be signing a deal right now.

 

No agent in his right mind would allow that. Given the current market, Garland could be due 6yrs/$70 at free agency next year. He's going to make about $7M this year no matter what.

 

So he can either go to arbitration, then free agency, and make about $77M over 7 years; or he can sign a 3yr/30M deal with the Sox, delaying his free agency by two years in the process.

 

Now which would you do?

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Exactly. Even if Garland doesn't even have a good season in 2006, he's still going to get paid. And if he repeats on his 2005 season, he's going to break the bank. Garland and his agent would have to have the collective IQ of a fish to agree to a crappy 3-year deal with the Sox now.

 

KW has to weigh the value of having Garland for likely only one season or Vazquez for three seasons.

Edited December 14, 2005 by SSH2005

[daa84]

Exactly.  Even if Garland doesn't even have a good season in 2006, he's still going to get paid.  And if he repeats on his 2005 season, he is going to break the bank.  Garland and his agent would have to have the collective IQ of a fish to agree to a crappy 3-year deal with the Sox now.

 

KW has to weigh the value of having Garland for likely only one season or Vazquez for three seasons.

exactly.....this is from gammons a week or so ago...

 

 

"What does this do to us with Jon Garland?" asked one White Sox official. "Burnett opens this season at [age] 29, Garland at 26. Burnett won 12 games, Garland 18. Burnett has 15 fewer career wins. Garland is a fifth-year arbitration case coming off virtually the same salary [$3.4 million]. What's he going to get in arbitration? What's he going to ask if we try to do a longtime contract and keep him from going to free agency next fall?"

 

If you're Garland, you're looking at the Burnett table and telling the waiter, "I'll take what he has, only a much bigger serving." The White Sox are looking at a huge hit in arbitration, and no one would blame Garland for wanting more than five years at $11 million per season.

 

if you add up the info id say the sox are trying to deal garland...Garland already shot down the sox contract extention, from his comments KW is impatient, and either wants to lock up the pitchers or move on...garland is gonna cost a ton, and right now vazquez would cost less than he would on the free agent market...the sox have recently tried to stay one step ahead of the market, and this would be no different. add in the fact that the sox have tried to get vazquez in the past, and id say this rumor has more truth to it than most

[SSH2005]

^^^ Excellent find.

[nitetrain8601]

Garland for Vazquez - Get It Done Kenny unless Garland resigns within the next day or two.

[White Sox Josh]

No. Coming to his senses wouldn't be signing a deal right now.

 

No agent in his right mind would allow that. Given the current market, Garland could be due 6yrs/$70 at free agency next year. He's going to make about $7M this year no matter what.

 

So he can either go to arbitration, then free agency, and make about $77M over 7 years; or he can sign a 3yr/30M deal with the Sox, delaying his free agency by two years in the process.

 

Now which would you do?

I would do the 3yr/$30M deal. What the hell is the difference? Oh would he not be able to feed his family. If i were him I would want to be in a place where I have a real chance to win a Championship.

[nitetrain8601]

I would do the 3yr/$30M deal.  What the hell is the difference?  Oh would he not be able to feed his family.  If i were him I would want to be in a place where I have a real chance to win a Championship.

 

But you're not him. He's going to want more than 10 million.

[Milkman delivers]

I would do the 3yr/$30M deal.  What the hell is the difference?  Oh would he not be able to feed his family.  If i were him I would want to be in a place where I have a real chance to win a Championship.

 

And he'll have that in Anaheim, plus lots of money.

[SSH2005]

I would do the 3yr/$30M deal.  What the hell is the difference?  Oh would he not be able to feed his family.  If i were him I would want to be in a place where I have a real chance to win a Championship.

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Why did Burnett sign a 5-year, $55 million contract instead of a cheap 3-year deal for $30 million? Because he could. Money talks and bulls*** walks. It's almost always about the green with these players. And if Garland signed with a west coast team like the Angels for huge money, he would still have a real chance to win another World Series. But since Garland already won a Championship, you have to realize that he is more likely looking for the big payday now.

Edited December 14, 2005 by SSH2005

[Guest JimH]

So now that all the information has come out ...

 

Garland turned down the offer which told KW he isn't set on playing in Chicago.

 

KW wants cost certainty.

 

As soon as Garland turned down the contract offer, KW started chasing Vazquez.

 

This whole thing is really pretty simple. It has nothing to do with half the crap that's been discussed on this 25 page thread.

 

It has everything to do with the White Sox looking for cost certainty while maintaining an excellent pitching staff.

[SSH2005]

Well, if KW ends up giving up Garland and Young for Vazquez the deal would be horrible regardless of "cost certainty."

[fathom]

It has everything to do with the White Sox looking for cost certainty while maintaining an excellent pitching staff.

 

So the pitching staff gets older, more expensive, and worse? I think that's the reason for the 25 page thread.

[nitetrain8601]

So the pitching staff gets older, more expensive, and worse?  I think that's the reason for the 25 page thread.

 

Vazquez is only 3 years older. Garland is very young, but Vazquez is entering his prime(or should be). With Coop, I think Vazquez will do things Garland could only dream of. And Garland will probably be more expensive than Vazquez and have a much longer deal which is why we would be dealing him.

[Guest JimH]

Well, if KW ends up giving up Garland and Young for Vazquez the deal would be horrible regardless of "cost certainty."

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Jabroni ... Even if they do, who says they won't get something else back?

 

Personally I will wait to judge this whole thing if and when something happens.

[Guest JimH]

So the pitching staff gets older, more expensive, and worse?  I think that's the reason for the 25 page thread.

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That's your opinion. If these rumors are true, it's not the opinion of White Sox management, who by the way know a lot more than you and me and anyone else on this 25 page thread.

[WSFAN35]

Well, if KW ends up giving up Garland and Young for Vazquez the deal would be horrible regardless of "cost certainty."

 

If there is any validation to the rumors that Garland might be traded, the entire league would be making offers to get their hands on him. He's probably the best pitcher available via trade in a thin free agent market. Why would Kenny accept a Vazquez for Garland AND Young when he could get a much better deal elsewhere. I feel a package like Garland and Young could snag the equivalent of Vazquez, Tracy, and a prospect.

Edited December 14, 2005 by WSFAN35

[SSH2005]

I guess we will just have to see what happens then. The fact that Chris Young's name was brought up with this trade rumor is a bit scary. I definately wouldn't want to see him involved in any deal.

[SoxFan1]

No Vazquez....period. Unless he comes fro Timo/Borch/Willie.

[Reddy]

No Vazquez....period. Unless he comes fro Timo/Borch/Willie.

 

i thought that was the Tejada deal?

[nitetrain8601]

If there is any validation to the rumors that Garland might be traded, the entire league would be making offers to get their hands on him.  He's probably the best pitcher available via trade in a thin free agent market.  Why would Kenny accept a Vazquez for Garland AND Young when he could get a much better deal elsewhere.  I feel a package like Garland and Young could snag the equivalent of Vazquez, Tracy, and a prospect.

 

Well the White Sox would have to get pitching for pitching. That eliminates more than half the teams in the league. Now he has to get a pitcher with upside or who he thinks would be great with Cooper. Now cut that number in half as well. Next he has to find someone who would give them flexibility. That leaves maybe 3 or 4 teams.

[SSH2005]

No Vazquez....period. Unless he comes fro Timo/Borch/Willie.

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We might have to give up Felix Diaz in that deal.

[SoxFan1]

I do not want Vazquez...thats what that means.

[nitetrain8601]

I do not want Vazquez...thats what that means.

 

Well you're not Kenny GM.