Sox Acquire Javier Vazquez

[Frankensteiner]

The White Sox actually would control Vazquez for three years. Since he demanded a trade, he gave up the right to be a free agent after his contract expires, so they would be able to offer him arbitration for the third year.

 

Did anyone notice this in the Sox website article? Getting Vazquez makes a little more sense knowing you'd have him for 3 years as opposed to just the 2 on his existing contract. If Arizona throws in some money, the deal would probably average around 3yr/$33M, the money they had earmarked for Garland.

Edited December 14, 2005 by Frankensteiner

[hi8is]

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS POSSIBLE TRADE POLL Edited December 14, 2005 by hi8is

[SoxnGiants]

I'd hate the trade if Young was added to the deal, I don't even like it much if it were Garland straight up for Vazquez + Cash. Vazquez just hasn't performed well in 1 1/2 years, plus I don't think he's a good fit for the Cell.

 

HOWEVER, Kenny has earned my trust as a fan. He's made excellent deals to get Contreras, who looks like a CY Young candidate, and Garcia and both at less than market value. Both have performed very well in Chicago and both were major components to the World Series, it's not really fair for me to second guess him anymore. I also remember Kenny wanting Chacon who has been excellent after getting out of the thin air, so it seems to me that Kenny knows what he's doing with pitchers (Todd Ritchie notwithstanding).

 

If Vazquez reverts back to his Expos form, a deal for Garland would be a steal (assuming Garland would walk after 2006). Part of me thinks this is a negotiating ploy though.

[Rowand44]

I'd hate the trade if Young was added to the deal, I don't even like it much if it were Garland straight up for Vazquez + Cash. Vazquez just hasn't performed well in 1 1/2 years, plus I don't think he's a good fit for the Cell.

 

HOWEVER, Kenny has earned my trust as a fan. He's made excellent deals to get Contreras, who looks like a CY Young candidate, and Garcia and both at less than market value. Both have performed very well in Chicago and both were major components to the World Series, it's not really fair for me to second guess him anymore. I also remember Kenny wanting Chacon who has been excellent after getting out of the thin air, so it seems to me that Kenny knows what he's doing with pitchers (Todd Ritchie notwithstanding). 

 

If Vazquez reverts back to his Expos form, a deal for Garland would be a steal (assuming Garland would walk after 2006). Part of me thinks this is a negotiating ploy though.

Fantastic post. I agree 100 percent.

[maggsmaggs]

I'd hate the trade if Young was added to the deal, I don't even like it much if it were Garland straight up for Vazquez + Cash. Vazquez just hasn't performed well in 1 1/2 years, plus I don't think he's a good fit for the Cell.

 

HOWEVER, Kenny has earned my trust as a fan. He's made excellent deals to get Contreras, who looks like a CY Young candidate, and Garcia and both at less than market value. Both have performed very well in Chicago and both were major components to the World Series, it's not really fair for me to second guess him anymore. I also remember Kenny wanting Chacon who has been excellent after getting out of the thin air, so it seems to me that Kenny knows what he's doing with pitchers (Todd Ritchie notwithstanding). 

 

If Vazquez reverts back to his Expos form, a deal for Garland would be a steal (assuming Garland would walk after 2006). Part of me thinks this is a negotiating ploy though.

I agree in the fact that I have faith in Kenny, but this deal isn't smart and no prospects on our end should be going.

[KevHead0881]

Uh, alot of discussion in this thread and not much about the possibility of having both Garland and Vasquez in next years rotation.

 

Well, I didn't see this anywhere else around here, so here ya go:

 

CBS Sportsline: Deal close, involves El Duque & Young for Vasquez

 

Disregard if already posted.

[drowninginflame]

Fantastic post.  I agree 100 percent.

 

 

I agree

[KevHead0881]

I'll respond to my own post by saying, if the Sportsline report is true: ME LIKEY!

 

Lets us hold onto Garland another year, and with the probability that he'll leave at the end of the year, we'll have Vasquez to take over his spot in '07 and McCarthy will be able to take the 5th spot.

[Flash Tizzle]

CBS Sportsline:  Deal close, involves El Duque & Young for Vasquez

 

Disregard if already posted.

 

So, we'd resist trading Garland, and instead have a 6 man rotation? And the absence of Chris Young? :headshake

 

This would indicate either another trade is in the works for Garland, or McCarthy is destined for the bullpen. Trading Garland, regardless of his contract situation, should--at the least--bring back a quality reliever and prospect.

Edited December 14, 2005 by Flash Tizzle

[Rowand44]

So, we'd resist trading Garland, and instead have a 6 man rotation? And the absence of Chris Young?  :headshake

 

This would indicate either another trade is in the works for Garland, or McCarthy is destined for the bullpen.

Garland would be gone, I see no possible way Vazquez and Garland are in the same rotation.

[Chisoxfn]

I would do the 3yr/$30M deal.  What the hell is the difference?  Oh would he not be able to feed his family.  If i were him I would want to be in a place where I have a real chance to win a Championship.

He could do that in Anaheim and 3 yr 30 is a lot different than 7/77. Thats 44 million more in guaranteed money (he's set for life if he gets hurt). Sure he's set at 30 million but why would you be stupid enough to throw an additional 47 million in guaranteed money out the window.

[Milkman delivers]

That article mentions a reliever going their way. s***, we don't need to lose a reliever when we've already lost Marte and possibly Hermanson.

[Chisoxfn]

Jabroni ...  Even if they do, who says they won't get something else back?

 

Personally I will wait to judge this whole thing if and when something happens.

If we didn't get Stephen Drew back, the club would be totally jobbed. No one is going to tell me we can't get a pitcher offering 12 mill a year for 3 years next year (if we kept Garland for a year and let him walk). Not only that, but we'd be getting 2 1st round picks for Garland.

 

I'm not opposed to letting him walk, depending on the Dbacks offer. If the Sox make this deal straight up (and take the cash) they should get a solid to good prospect in return, if Chris Young is a part of the package (the Sox better get 5-6 mill each year or Stephen Drew) .

[SoxFan562004]

That article mentions a reliever going their way.  s***, we don't need to lose a reliever when we've already lost Marte and possibly Hermanson.

I think it says minor league reliever Baj possibly?

 

What veteran CF is out there in a trade possibility, because if they decide to move Garland if this article is true, I imagine it would be for a CF

[Chisoxfn]

Maybe I missed this or maybe I didnt feel like reading the 26 pages of bickering but why is it assumed that Garland is part of the deal? 

From the article on whitesox.com: Garland figures to earn in the $6 million range through arbitration, but could be replaced by Brandon McCarthy in the rotation if he was shipped to another team. Of course, the White Sox would prefer to move Orlando 'El Duque' Hernandez and his $4.5 million salary, along with a prospect, setting up one of the best rotations in baseball with Mark Buehrle, Freddy Garcia, Vazquez, Garland and Contreras.

 

The idea of that rotation made me happy in the pants area.  So why not ship Chris Young and someone else like Josh Fields for Javier Vasquez and keep Garland around until the end of the season?

Thats a deal I have nothing against. Honestly I think the Sox need to move Duque. Its foolish paying a reliever 4.5 million a year and I think you can find a guy off the scrap heap (cause honestly at this point thats what Duque is). I still think (especially given this market) that you'll find a taker for Duque.

 

I'd rather spend 4.5 million on a bullpen arm and than some extra money to play with at the deadline (or that could go towards AJ's extension or Contreras'). I am definately not opposed to the idea of Vazquez for Garland as long as the Sox are thinking long term (and I assume they are). Plus the one thing with Garland is, I am fully confident in him staying healthy (as opposed to some pitchers).

[hi8is]

So, we'd resist trading Garland, and instead have a 6 man rotation? And the absence of Chris Young?  :headshake

 

This would indicate either another trade is in the works for Garland, or McCarthy is destined for the bullpen. Trading Garland, regardless of his contract situation, should--at the least--bring back a quality reliever and prospect.

HAH

 

awsome

 

get el duque off the books and outta the pen... give bmac more time to transition into the leauge.... have another possible ace in the rotation and one in the bullpen..... and no matter how big of a woody you all have for chris young... hes still a prospect... no prospect is a sure thing....

 

id have to say that a #1 rated CF prospect in AA isnt as important as a possible front line starter with major leauge sucess.... expecially when you are stacked from a minor leauge CF stand point.

[TheKillerB's]

Just what the Rock wanted, bravo KW if this is true.

[KevHead0881]

HAH

 

awsome

 

get el duque off the books and outta the pen... give bmac more time to transition into the leauge.... have another possible ace in the rotation and one in the bullpen..... and no matter how big of a woody you all have for chris young... hes still a prospect... no prospect is a sure thing....

 

id have to say that a #1 rated CF prospect in AA isnt as important as a possible front line starter with major leauge sucess.... expecially when you are stacked from a minor leauge CF stand point.

 

You plagiarized my mind!

 

Buehrle

Garland

Contreras

Garcia

Vasquez

 

McCarthy waiting in the wings.

 

Wow!

Edited December 14, 2005 by KevHead0881

[Rowand44]

HAH

 

awsome

 

get el duque off the books and outta the pen... give bmac more time to transition into the leauge.... have another possible ace in the rotation and one in the bullpen..... and no matter how big of a woody you all have for chris young... hes still a prospect... no prospect is a sure thing....

 

id have to say that a #1 rated CF prospect in AA isnt as important as a possible front line starter with major leauge sucess.... expecially when you are stacked from a minor leauge CF stand point.

A possible ace, well Chris Young is a possible superstar as well.

[hi8is]

Just what the Rock wanted, bravo KW if this is true.

and ill stick my foot in my mouth and eat it because i thought there was no way in hell wed get vazquez without including one of the major horses

[fathom]

There's not a chance in hell we're going to trade Duque for Vazquez, and then put McCarthy in the pen. That would be one of the most expensive starting rotations in baseball. If we bring in Vazquez, you can bet your ass there'll be another trade with Garland or Contreras involved in it.

[sircaffey]

That article mentions a reliever going their way.  s***, we don't need to lose a reliever when we've already lost Marte and possibly Hermanson.

 

Baj perhaps? If we can keep Garland from going to ARZ then I like the deal. However, what happens to BMac. You know KW loves to have a backup plan in case there is an injury. I can't see KW then moving Garland without getting a 6th SP option back. Is it possible that KW still keeps BMac down for one last year?

 

Also, the possibilities of what Garland could bring if not included in the Vazquez deal, intrigues me. What could KW be looking for?

[Chisoxfn]

Wow, if its Duque I'd be a huge proponent. I still say, look at the Granderson offer the Tigers had. Chris Young is a better prospect than Granderson and Duque is still a serviceable pitcher. Plus you have a serious cash savings for the Dbacks long term (if the Sox deal Duque my guess is they aren't getting any cash in return) plus another prospect (I'd have to think Viz if it were a major league reliever).

 

The Sox than have the rest of the off-season to either stick with those 5 (with Mac sliding to the pen and helping out if someone is tired, an option I really like considering the 5 starters we'd have). Or Kenny has the option of using Garland or Contreras (whichever doesn't sign an extension) as a serious chip to land himself one more big time bat (and a damn good one, whether its a CF or something else).

 

I honestly like this idea more and more (even if it were a Garland trade). I like the idea of knowing we have a guy and if Jon gets a 7/70 offer or its the type of offer he wants, I honestly think he's gonna be elsewhere cause the Sox are going to do what they can to keep an entire staff together and anything over 4 years for a pitcher (unless the extra years are option years) is too long if you ask me.

[drowninginflame]

I'm sure he's got plan ...he's KW you could shoot him and he'd brush the bullets off

[SoxFan562004]

Baj perhaps?  If we can keep Garland from going to ARZ then I like the deal.  However, what happens to BMac.  You know KW loves to have a backup plan in case there is an injury.  I can't see KW then moving Garland without getting a 6th SP option back.  Is it possible that KW still keeps BMac down for one last year? 

 

Also, the possibilities of what Garland could bring if not included in the Vazquez deal, intrigues me.  What could KW be looking for?

I would imagine a veteran CF. Maybe someone with a year or two on his contract left to let BA or the others develop more. I just don't know who is out there.