Sox Acquire Javier Vazquez

[SHAFTR]

You forgot the 35 HR's and 4.42 ERA.

 

Lets not forget Garland is only a year removed from 34 HRs and 4.89 ERA.

[SSH2005]

If we keep Garland, he is likely gone after 2006 when he starts getting $10 million per year contract offers as a free agent. I guess it comes down to whether you would rather have one year of Garland or two years of Vazquez.

Edited December 13, 2005 by SSH2005

[Guest JimH]

Let's put Bruce Levine on the trail and see what he's got to say about all this.

 

Seriously though, the Diamondbacks want two things, they need a CF and they want pitching. And they have to move Vazquez by 3/15/06 or he can declare free agency. So he's gonna be traded, no doubt.

 

There aren't many CF's out there, the market is really thin. So they'll want pitching in return, and there are enough teams out there interested in a guy like Vazquez so even though they're over the barrel, it's not that bad.

 

Mets might want him but they don't have pitching to give in return. Count both of the Florida teams out. Yankees, no. Orioles and Tigers are on his no trade list.

 

The trade the Dbacks almost made with the Tigers included a young OF prospect, Curtis Ganderson(?).

 

To me, they would surely be interested in a starting pitcher whom they felt they had a chance to keep, and some OF help. They'd have to give up more than Vazquez in return though I'd think.

 

This will be really interesting to see how it develops.

Edited December 13, 2005 by JimH

[SSH2005]

Let's put Bruce Levine on the trail and see what he's got to say about all this. 

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He's too busy fighting with Brian Dolgin.

[Chek2002]

I think Kenny should do this. Getting Vazquez would not be that big of down grade. You have to keep in mind Contreras and Garland both can walk after this season. This would give us something back, we will not get anything but a couple of draft picks if they walk. Trading one of the two would allow the White Sox to concentrate on signing the other next offseason. It would be hard for the Sox to sign two of the better free agents next offseason. I would rather it be Contreras in the deal, since he is older and more of a risk long term

[fathom]

If we keep Garland, he is likely gone after 2006 when he starts getting $10 million per year contract offers as a free agent.  I guess it comes down to whether you would rather have one year of Garland or two years of Vazquez.

 

I'd rather take my chances of having Garland for one more season, see how that goes, and if you lose him, you have some money to play with in a deep FA class. If we were talking about Vazquez having like 3 or 4 more years left on his deal, then maybe the trade would make more sense.

[chisox2334]

Payroll is limited. Joe crede in arbitration means he will get money. Piersynski arbiration will be getting money. Also, jon garland in arbitration means money. Theres no room for kenny to work it out. Adding vasquez would create payroll problems. The team is set for next year. Garland last year is 2006.

[fathom]

We will need to have some cheap players at certain positions to also be able to afford our pitching.

 

With the way that FA is now, that goes true for almost every team.

[Rowand44]

I think Kenny should do this. Getting Vazquez would not be that big of down grade. You have to keep in mind Contreras and Garland both can walk after this season. This would give us something back, we will not get anything but a couple of draft picks if they walk. Trading one of the two would allow the White Sox to concentrate on signing the other next offseason. It would be hard for the Sox to sign two of the better free agents next offseason. I would rather it be Contreras in the deal, since he is older and more of a risk long term

Welcome.

[Rowand44]

Payroll is limited. Joe crede in arbitration means he will get money. Piersynski arbiration will be getting money. Also, jon garland in arbitration means money. Theres no room for kenny to work it out. Adding vasquez would create payroll problems.  The team is set for next year. Garland last year is 2006.

If the Yankees are picking up 3 mill of Vazquez's salary per year that would be about an add on of 2.5 mill this year, that wouldn't be a problem.

Edited December 13, 2005 by Rowand44

[fathom]

Two things about payroll:

- Sox are in a great position because they don't have any real bad contracts (besides Duque).

- If you want to have a competitive team year-in, year-out, it's going to get expensive. If the Sox keep winning and fans come to the games, I'm not too concerned about payroll.

[Guest JimH]

I just do not like this at all.  Look at it this way, do we have a better chance at winning the world series next year with Jon or with Javy?  I think the answer is pretty simple.  I would much rather go into the playoffs with Jon than Javy. 

 

Jon Garland 

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There's nothing clear cut about this at all, wanting to go into the playoffs with Jon Garland or Vazquez isn't a simple decision, it'd really depend on how they were pitching at the time.

[mmmmmbeeer]

Those who are claiming that JV is a downgrade hare smokin' something. JV would have the best stuff on the staff behind the Count, it's only a matter of Coop getting ahold of him and setting him straight, which Coop has proven he can do with struggling pitchers on a consistent basis. Garland did very well for the Sox last season, but he's not dominant nor does he have the ability to be dominant.

 

I can agree, to an extent, with Fathom when he talked about shopping Jon around and see what kind of interest is out there. Although I do not like the idea of trading pitching for O, even if KW were determined to turn that O around for some SP. Quality SP is extremely scarce these days which means you can only trade Jon for a decent replacement. With this trade, I think we'd be trading for an upgrade instead of a decent replacement.

[Guest JimH]

Here is what the D-Backs GM had to say about the Vazquez situation yesterday:

 

"One team in particular has stepped forward in the last few days," said Byrnes, who declined to identify the team. "I think it's close enough that it could happen, but you never know."

 

From the Dbacks website.

[SSH2005]

Here is what the D-Backs GM had to say about the Vazquez situation yesterday:

 

"One team in particular has stepped forward in the last few days," said Byrnes, who declined to identify the team. "I think it's close enough that it could happen, but you never know."

 

From the Dbacks website.

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DOH!!! We all know that Kenny usually gets what Kenny wants.

[fathom]

Here is what the D-Backs GM had to say about the Vazquez situation yesterday:

 

"One team in particular has stepped forward in the last few days," said Byrnes, who declined to identify the team. "I think it's close enough that it could happen, but you never know."

 

From the Dbacks website.

 

I'd be stunned if it's not the White Sox or Orioles (trying to please Tejada).

[Guest JimH]

I'd be stunned if it's not the White Sox or Orioles (trying to please Tejada).

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It's not the Orioles, they are on Vazquez's no trade list, interestingly.

[Chisoxfn]

Personally I'm not a Vazquez fan. He may have good stuff but he's incredibly over-rated and is a whiner.

 

I hate this proposed trade. Sox better be getting some cash or a good prospect or something else.

 

Garland for Vazquez straight up is a loser of a deal (especially if they don't give us the cash the Yanks gave them and they don't have to either).

[Dick Allen]

I hope its not a straight up deal. I still think it makes no sense unless Arizona is going to sweeten the pot with cash and prospects. Vazquez is owed $24 million the next 2 seasons.

[SSH2005]

I'd be stunned if it's not the White Sox or Orioles (trying to please Tejada).

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Orioles won't happen.

 

http://arizona.diamondbacks.mlb.com/NASApp...t=.jsp&c_id=ari

A Tejada-Vazquez deal won't happen for a variety of reasons, chief among them is that the Orioles are one of the six teams on Vazquez's no-trade list. In addition, the D-Backs are not in the market for a shortstop with Stephen Drew knocking on the door.

[greasywheels121]

Personally I'm not a Vazquez fan.  He may have good stuff but he's incredibly over-rated and is a whiner. 

 

I hate this proposed trade.  Sox better be getting some cash or a good prospect or something else.

 

Garland for Vazquez straight up is a loser of a deal (especially if they don't give us the cash the Yanks gave them and they don't have to either).

 

Same, I'm really not excited over this at all. Hopefully this is all just major speculation, or there's more to it.

[SSH2005]

Personally I'm not a Vazquez fan.  He may have good stuff but he's incredibly over-rated and is a whiner. 

 

I hate this proposed trade.  Sox better be getting some cash or a good prospect or something else.

 

Garland for Vazquez straight up is a loser of a deal (especially if they don't give us the cash the Yanks gave them and they don't have to either).

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I agree. If the Sox aren't getting cash to pay for some of Vazquez's contract over the next two years, a straight-up trade of Garland for Vazquez would suck.

[fathom]

I'd be stunned if it's not the White Sox or Orioles (trying to please Tejada).

 

Thanks, I didn't know that. Well, that was part of me hoping it might be the Orioles, as I really don't like the sound of this trade.

[SSH2005]

I hope its not a straight up deal. I still think it makes no sense unless Arizona is going to sweeten the pot with cash and prospects. Vazquez is owed $24 million the next 2 seasons.

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This has been covered numerous times in this thread. Vazquez is owed $8.5 million in 2006 and $9.5 million in 2007 because the Yankees are picking up $3 million per year of his contract. That's a total of $18 million over 2 seasons that Vazquez is owed, not $24 million.

[greasywheels121]

This trade is too much IMO. I don't see this making us better. I'm starting to think that if we do too much more this offseason, we're just making ourselves worse. It kind of reminds me of the Yankees after they won their WS's. Change is necessary, but not this much.