Sox Acquire Javier Vazquez

[greasywheels121]

I like you.

 

^^^

[WHarris1]

Whew. Thank God. For a moment I thought you were just retarded. Welcome aboard. Baseball is a pretty fun sport, and you chose to come along at the right time. Well done.

hahahaha

amazing

[Kalapse]

:headshake How you can defend the Yankee's I don't know. Yeah, I am a big Sox homer but you are overrating the Yankmee's. Internally- they suck big ones. On the outside, while they might be winning, they still havent done s***. Good luck with Jeter/ARod/Sheff/Giambi/RJ/Etc...

It might make you look a little more intelligent if during debates you didn't use names like the "Spankmees" or "Yankmees". Just a thought.

[SnB]

Whew. Thank God. For a moment I thought you were just retarded. Welcome aboard. Baseball is a pretty fun sport, and you chose to come along at the right time. Well done.

*giggle

 

well done sir.

[SoxFan1]

It might make you look a little more intelligent if during debates you didn't use names like the "Spankmees" or "Yankmees". Just a thought.

Thanks, now run along.

[NYSox35]

This trade sucks.  Kenny messed up big time.

 

Why do you say that?

[whitesoxfan99]

On the outside, while they might be winning, they still havent done s***. Good luck with Jeter/ARod/Sheff/Giambi/RJ/Etc...

 

[rcpweiner]

On the outside, while they might be winning, they still havent done s***.

 

Huh? This statement sort of contradicts itself. Unless by "s***" you mean "helping the homeless", "giving you money" or "turning Coke into wine". Then I agree. They haven't done any of those three. But if by "s***" you mean "winning", then I disagree because of two reasons:

 

1. Your sentence becomes horribly s***ty, grammar-wise.

2. You just said "they might be winning".

[WHarris1]

Huh? This statement sort of contradicts itself. Unless by "s***" you mean "helping the homeless", "giving you money" or "turning Coke into wine". Then I agree. They haven't done any of those three. But if by "s***" you mean "winning", then I disagree because of two reasons:

hahahaha

 

I you

[Kalapse]

Huh? This statement sort of contradicts itself. Unless by "s***" you mean "helping the homeless", "giving you money" or "turning Coke into wine". Then I agree. They haven't done any of those three. But if by "s***" you mean "winning", then I disagree because of two reasons:

 

1. Your sentence becomes horribly s***ty, grammar-wise.

2. You just said "they might be winning".

You seriously need to post more often.

[RockRaines]

This trade sucks.  Kenny messed up big time.

[RockRaines]

Huh? This statement sort of contradicts itself. Unless by "s***" you mean "helping the homeless", "giving you money" or "turning Coke into wine". Then I agree. They haven't done any of those three. But if by "s***" you mean "winning", then I disagree because of two reasons:

 

1. Your sentence becomes horribly s***ty, grammar-wise.

2. You just said "they might be winning".

[SoxFan1]

Think about, I know what you're saying and understand what you're coming from but personally, I would not want to mimic the Yankees. I would rather have a team that battled to the end and won a World Series old school style than have a team with no chemistry, a bunch of superstars, and a lot of big ego's. The White Sox won the World Series in 2005 with clutch hitting, great pitching, defense, and team chemistry. Nobody hated anybody else on the team. None of out players tackled any cameramen. None of our players b****ed and demanded a trade. Sure Marte was a headcase but did you see him jumping around in the bullpen after PK's grandslam? And yeah, Carl was a nut too, and while he was mad about getting out of the 3rd spot, he put up and shut up and contributed. The Yankees are not a "team" like the Sox are. They are a bunch of individuals. And getting back to the minor leagues, the Yankees' have a pretty-much non-existant one.

[rcpweiner]

You seriously need to post more often.

 

I'll try, sir. I'll try. It all depends on the demands of the job, such as if my "johns" have Internet access, expendable money to waste on me while they recooperate, and underactive libidos, so I don't have to always be on the "job".

[Rowand44]

Think about, I know what you're saying and understand what you're coming from but personally, I would not want to mimic the Yankees. I would rather have a team that battled to the end and won a World Series old school style than have a team with no chemistry, a bunch of superstars, and a lot of big ego's. The White Sox won the World Series in 2005 with clutch hitting, great pitching, defense, and team chemistry. Nobody hated anybody else on the team. None of out players tackled any cameramen. None of our players b****ed and demanded a trade. Sure Marte was a headcase but did you see him jumping around in the bullpen after PK's grandslam? And yeah, Carl was a nut too, and while he was mad about getting out of the 3rd spot, he put up and shut up and contributed. The Yankees are not a "team" like the Sox are. They are a bunch of individuals. And getting back to the minor leagues, the Yankees' have a pretty-much non-existant one.

It's not like the Sox are adding bad guys here.

[RockRaines]

Think about, I know what you're saying and understand what you're coming from but personally, I would not want to mimic the Yankees. I would rather have a team that battled to the end and won a World Series old school style than have a team with no chemistry, a bunch of superstars, and a lot of big ego's.  The Yankees are not a "team" like the Sox are. They are a bunch of individuals. And getting back to the minor leagues, the Yankees' have a pretty-much non-existant one.

Well, our payroll wont let us become that kind of a team, so you dont have to worry about that. We will never have a bunch of superstars, because we just cant afford it. We are relegated to finding guys with the correct fit, and thats all. So you can rest easy my friend.

[SoxFan1]

Rowand and Rock, I understand that, but this guy is arguing that the Sox should be more like the Yankees. Now I see where he is coming from with the winning aspect of it and I know KW would never put the chemistry in jeopardy, but I want the Sox to be the Sox not the Yankees.

Edited December 14, 2005 by SoxFan1

[nitetrain8601]

Think about, I know what you're saying and understand what you're coming from but personally, I would not want to mimic the Yankees. I would rather have a team that battled to the end and won a World Series old school style than have a team with no chemistry, a bunch of superstars, and a lot of big ego's. The White Sox won the World Series in 2005 with clutch hitting, great pitching, defense, and team chemistry. Nobody hated anybody else on the team. None of out players tackled any cameramen. None of our players b****ed and demanded a trade. Sure Marte was a headcase but did you see him jumping around in the bullpen after PK's grandslam? And yeah, Carl was a nut too, and while he was mad about getting out of the 3rd spot, he put up and shut up and contributed. The Yankees are not a "team" like the Sox are. They are a bunch of individuals. And getting back to the minor leagues, the Yankees' have a pretty-much non-existant one.

 

Yet those Yankees who always have problems seem to keep making the playoffs. Those Yankees signify baseball in America. Mention New York Yankees anywhere outside of the U.S. and people will know who you're talking about. Mention Chicago White Sox and you might get Iguchi's family and some of South America knowing who you're talking about. Big name players dream of playing for the Yanks. 4 WS within the past 10 years, I'll take that anyday of the week. We won't aim to be the New York Yankees in name, but in terms of product. I want to be the Chicago White Sox aka the new Yankees.

Edited December 14, 2005 by nitetrain8601

[RockRaines]

Rowand and Rock, I understand that, but this guy is arguing that the Sox should be more like the Yankees. Now I see where he is coming from with the winning aspect of it and I know KW would never put the chemistry in jeopardy, but I want the Sox to be the Sox not the Yankees.

Yeah, but it will never happen, its just not in the cards. Our payroll is pretty much maxed out at this point. And im not worried about this anyway. Kenny and Ozzie wouldnt let that happen. Ozzie is the true leader of this team, and if anyone gets in his way, we will ship em to a crappy team in the NL central. The yankees dont do that.

[SoxFan1]

Yeah, but it will never happen, its just not in the cards. Our payroll is pretty much maxed out at this point.  And im not worried about this anyway.  Kenny and Ozzie wouldnt let that happen.  Ozzie is the true leader of this team, and if anyone gets in his way, we will ship em to a crappy team in the NL central.  The yankees dont do that.

Which is exactly why I trust KW, Ozzie, and the rest of the coaching staff.

[nitetrain8601]

Yeah, but it will never happen, its just not in the cards. Our payroll is pretty much maxed out at this point.  And im not worried about this anyway.  Kenny and Ozzie wouldnt let that happen.  Ozzie is the true leader of this team, and if anyone gets in his way, we will ship em to a crappy team in the NL central.  The yankees dont do that.

 

I agree with your 2nd point(Ozzie), but I don't think we're maxed out in terms of payroll. As long as we keep winning, I think our maxed out payroll would be at 110 million.

[RockRaines]

I agree with your 2nd point(Ozzie), but I don't think we're maxed out in terms of payroll. As long as we keep winning, I think our maxed out payroll would be at 110 million.

I meant this year

[rcpweiner]

Think about, I know what you're saying and understand what you're coming from but personally, I would not want to mimic the Yankees. I would rather have a team that battled to the end and won a World Series old school style than have a team with no chemistry, a bunch of superstars, and a lot of big ego's. The White Sox won the World Series in 2005 with clutch hitting, great pitching, defense, and team chemistry. Nobody hated anybody else on the team. None of out players tackled any cameramen. None of our players b****ed and demanded a trade. Sure Marte was a headcase but did you see him jumping around in the bullpen after PK's grandslam? And yeah, Carl was a nut too, and while he was mad about getting out of the 3rd spot, he put up and shut up and contributed. The Yankees are not a "team" like the Sox are. They are a bunch of individuals. And getting back to the minor leagues, the Yankees' have a pretty-much non-existant one.

 

Look. I understand what you're talking about. It's just that a dynasty coming from that type of "old school style" is rare, with only the Patriots as the example I can think of. Sure, when you can, that's the best-case scenario. But more often than not, you're not able to sustain that quality over a long period of time.

 

The reason I bring up the Yankees is because, year in, year out, they compete for the championship. The White Sox, on the other hand, haven't proven that. Yet. They're on their way, but they need another few years in the playoffs before they can be considered in discussion with the New Yorks, Bostons, Atlantas, and St Louises of the baseball world.

 

Also, at first I was more talking about their run in the 90s rather than now. Now, they do have problems in their system. But contending is not one of them, mostly because of that enormous budget.

 

As to your comment about the Yankees s***ty farm system: who cares? Do you know who won the Triple-A championship last year? The year before? The Double-A championship three years ago? No. Because that s*** doesn't matter. Sure, it's good for clubs without a ton of money that have to make deals instead of buying their free agents, but for teams with huge budgets, its not that big of a deal.

[RockRaines]

Thats one thing I have to keep remembering in my head when these moves go down, no matter what I think of the player before he comes here, Ozzie will straighten his ass out one way or another. He will have his way, he is the king of the Castle, and he wont let anyone f that up for him.

[nitetrain8601]

I meant this year

 

Well in that case, excellent.