Sox Acquire Javier Vazquez

[SSH2005]

He's a future 30/30 and possibly 40/40 guy.

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40/40? I didn't know that Chris Young = Jose Canseco. Does Young take roids too?

[Yoda]

Without reading the million posts or starting a new thread .. tell me bout Chris Young.

How good is he?

Is he a star in the making or just another guy?

 

I like the pickup but I worry bout losing Young.

 

He’s a 22-year-old who can hit for power and has the speed to be a good leadoff man for any team. Had he been with us, he could have been Podsednik’s replacement in the near future.

[SSH2005]

He’s a 22-year-old who can hit for power and has the speed to be a good leadoff man for any team. Had he been with us, he could have been Podsednik’s replacement in the near future.

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Young is not going to be a leadoff hitter. He is going to be more of a middle of the order hitter, maybe a #5 or #6 hitter.

Edited December 15, 2005 by SSH2005

[rcpweiner]

He's a future 30/30 and possibly 40/40 guy.

 

Are you insane? He's 50/50 minimum. Guaranteed. Of course, that's only for about 4 years before he gets sick of playing the outfield (mastering the position with 4 Gold Gloves and 3 MVPs) and takes up pitching. A year off, to get command of his sinker, and then 4 straight Cy Youngs.

 

In conclusion: A-Rod, Pujols and Clemens combined won't be able to hold his jockstrap. Mainly because he has enormous genitals.

[WHarris1]

Are you insane? He's 50/50 minimum. Guaranteed. Of course, that's only for about 4 years before he gets sick of playing the outfield (mastering the position with 4 Gold Gloves and 3 MVPs) and takes up pitching. A year off, to get command of his sinker, and then 4 straight Cy Youngs.

 

In conclusion: A-Rod, Pujols and Clemens combined won't be able to hold his jockstrap. Mainly because he has enormous genitals.

 

Seriously you are awesome.

 

As one of the biggest CY fans here some of you are making wild claims.

Edited December 15, 2005 by WHarris1

[SoxFan1]

Are you insane? He's 50/50 minimum. Guaranteed. Of course, that's only for about 4 years before he gets sick of playing the outfield (mastering the position with 4 Gold Gloves and 3 MVPs) and takes up pitching. A year off, to get command of his sinker, and then 4 straight Cy Youngs.

 

In conclusion: A-Rod, Pujols and Clemens combined won't be able to hold his jockstrap. Mainly because he has enormous genitals.

LMAO!

[SSH2005]

Are you insane? He's 50/50 minimum. Guaranteed. Of course, that's only for about 4 years before he gets sick of playing the outfield (mastering the position with 4 Gold Gloves and 3 MVPs) and takes up pitching. A year off, to get command of his sinker, and then 4 straight Cy Youngs.

 

In conclusion: A-Rod, Pujols and Clemens combined won't be able to hold his jockstrap. Mainly because he has enormous genitals.

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rcpweiner -- the 100% sarcastic poster.

[Rex Hudler]

Count me in minority with those that absolutely HATE this trade.

 

You don't trade your best prospect, not to mention two Major League players without improving your club a lot. I don't think the Sox today are any better than before this trade. The difference in what Vazquez will give you over McCarthy and/or El Duque is marginable, in my opinion. IF he is even better.

 

The guy had demanded a trade. The Diamondbacks did NOT have the leverage here.

 

Chris Young will have every opportunity to start this season in CF for the D'backs. Don't be shocked if he is in their Opening Day lineup. In fact, the job is his to lose.

Edited December 15, 2005 by Rex Hudler

[White Sox Josh]

When will the comish put his stamp of approval on this deal.

[SSH2005]

When will the comish put his stamp of approval on this deal.

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http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...t=.jsp&c_id=cws

with the deal not expected to become official until Friday or the beginning of next week, after physicals and approval from the Commissioner's office.

[LDF]

ok, i am trying hard to figure this out. i am excited and disappointed at the same time. i know i have said this in the past and i got flame, but when kw gets fixated on someone, he imo over pays in trades to get him. it is a sellers market esp with pitchers.

 

trading of marte, i like and understand why and the quality of the player we got, but was that the best we could have gotten in return? don't get me wrong, i like what we got, but i think he overpaid.

 

the trade of thome, giving up gio, yeah he is a highly regarded prospect and some will say prospect are not a guarantee but still. i know loosing gio hurts and i am over it, as long as we get a hard hitting player that thome used to be.

 

now with this trade, i was confuse on what we gave up. i honestly try to look at it from most poster. "in order to be a constant winner, we are on top, with a decent farm, we can trade from strenght." this was basically a young for javier trade in my book. with that i thought i was happy. there is no guarantees that orlando will be healthy. but as a package, did we give up too much.

 

now i am saying we did. however the end results may pay off. if we make another trade with regards of jon g. i am now really concern with the farm. remember when the yanks traded most of their farm for players to take them to the playoff. now look at them. i hope we are not heading in that direction.

Edited December 15, 2005 by LDF

[TheHammer]

The best teams consistently trade prospects for players. I'd rather be like the Yankees than the Twins.

[greg775]

I'm not thrilled with the trade but wasn't Jeremy Reed supposed to be awesome, too. He sucked last year. Ditto Olivo whom I loved as a Sox. Didn't hit for squat.

 

Is this guy supposed to be better than Reed was?

Just askin.

[Dam8610]

I'm not thrilled with the trade but wasn't Jeremy Reed supposed to be awesome, too. He sucked last year. Ditto Olivo whom I loved as a Sox. Didn't hit for squat.

 

Is this guy supposed to be better than Reed was?

Just askin.

 

He has better talent, but this deal basically breaks down like this:

 

Chris Young for Javier Vazquez

Luis Vizcaino for cash

and they take El Duque's $4.5 million salary

 

Is it really all that bad?

[YASNY]

If it seems to you that KW overpays in every trade, then it seems to me you overvalue our players.

 

Disclaimer: That is a general statement, not directed at any particular poster.

[DBAHO]

I'm not thrilled with the trade but wasn't Jeremy Reed supposed to be awesome, too. He sucked last year. Ditto Olivo whom I loved as a Sox. Didn't hit for squat.

 

Is this guy supposed to be better than Reed was?

Just askin.

Reed had major wrist problems, plus he's hitting in one of the worst hitters parks in baseball. Still his defense was better than advertised. I look for him to bounce back, and he could be on his way to Boston for Matt Clement if they can't re-sign Damon.

 

Reed is more of a solid grinder player who hit for a higher average, while Young has more tools, could hit 30HR's and steal quite a few bases, and he'll still take a walk.

 

And Arizona is going to have damn good OF in a few years. In fact they'll have a damn good young nucleus from Stephen Drew, Conor Jackson, Carlos Quentin and Chris Young, if that's the route they decide to take.

[Harry&JimmyRocked]

He lost me, TQ.  I'm just awestruck.

 

Clearly, there is another move in the wings, here, and I have no idea what direction Kenny is heading.  Is he perfectly clear on what direction he is heading?

 

I was always the first to salute Kenny and give him the benefit of the doubt--the man brought a World Championship to this city after 88 years--but, he truly lost an ardent supporter today.

 

He flat-out cut off his nose to spite his face.

 

-You lose bullpen depth in Luis Vizcaino.  Remember bullpen depth?  You know...one of the key components to that World Series Roster

-You completely f***-up McCarthy's situation.  That kid was absolutely ready for that fifth-starter's role this year and I can say that without a shaddow of a doubt.  What the hell is going to happen there?  Are you telling me you are going to stick Brandon in the bullpen for 2006, waiting for an injury?

-It appears Jon Garland, a guy who would probably leave after this season, whom CAN BE REPLACED IN 2006 FREE AGENCT, is on his way out along with Chris Young, the Golden Boy and CF of the future.

 

He lost me.  He's going to have to earn this supporter--and his money, devotion, and time at the ballpark--back.

 

WTF? people just will come up with any excuse to not go to the damn park. well keep your ass at home cause we don't need ya there!!!

[SSH2005]

Vizcaino pitched one inning in the postseason. What does that tell you?

[YASNY]

Vizcaino pitched one inning in the postseason.  What does that tell you? 

 

That one game went 14 innings?

[Steff]

Remember a couple years ago when people were calling for KW's head.  Wow have times changed.  I love this trade and that Thome trade is a great trade for both teams IMHO.  I agree with you about Anderson.  I think we need to give him a chance.

 

 

 

Or just a week or two ago when you were ripping the s*** out of him for not making a spot for Frank on the '06 team...

 

:rolly

[Jordan4life_2007]

Or just a week or two ago when you were ripping the s*** out of him for not making a spot for Frank on the '06 team...

 

:rolly

 

LMAO. God I love Steff.

[Rex Hudler]

I'm not thrilled with the trade but wasn't Jeremy Reed supposed to be awesome, too. He sucked last year. Ditto Olivo whom I loved as a Sox. Didn't hit for squat.

 

Is this guy supposed to be better than Reed was?

Just askin.

 

The Freddy Garcia trade ended up being a very good trade for the Sox because of how Garcia performed. But don't think for a second that it is legit to evaluate the prospects given up in that trade after only one year. While Olivo struggled in Seattle, he played well in San Diego after being traded and the Pads love him. I still believe Reed will become a very solid player.

 

Not all young players have instant success, yet some of them still turn out to be very nice players. Time will tell. It is way too soon to act like we gave up nothing in that trade.

[YASNY]

The Freddy Garcia trade ended up being a very good trade for the Sox because of how Garcia performed.  But don't think for a second that it is legit to evaluate the prospects given up in that trade after only one year.  While Olivo struggled in Seattle, he played well in San Diego after being traded and the Pads love him.  I still believe Reed will become a very solid player.

 

Not all young players have instant success, yet some of them still turn out to be very nice players.  Time will tell.  It is way too soon to act like we gave up nothing in that trade.

 

I thought SD was in the market for a catcher.

[SSH2005]

I thought SD was in the market for a catcher.

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There's definately a reason the Padres traded Mark Loretta for Doug Mirabelli and it's because Olivo isn't very good.

[LDF]

If it seems to you that KW overpays in every trade, then it seems to me you overvalue our players. 

 

Disclaimer:  That is a general statement, not directed at any particular poster.

 

i know it was meant for me yansy.