hi8is Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 "Knowing how Byrnes hasnt "Budged" so they better put together a nice package...I can see Arizona asking for Brian Anderson a top prospect and hopefully Neal Cotts along with Garland" that is from the mlb.com arizona fan fourm i almost just about fell out of my chair laughing my ass off HHAHAHAHAHA f***ing hysterical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitlesswonder Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 12:02 PM) Does anyone think that Garland does not want to stay? Maybe this is the crux of the issue? He is from southern California. His fiancee is from Hawaii per The Underground. He knows damn well he can get a great contract after '06, as good as or better than what the White Sox are offering. That's believable. And if the Sox were to trade Garland straight up for Vasquez at 10M per year I would think it was a reasonable trade. But Vasquez at 12M per? Or Garland + Young for Vasquez at 12M per? No way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 QUOTE(hi8is @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 12:08 PM) "Knowing how Byrnes hasnt "Budged" so they better put together a nice package...I can see Arizona asking for Brian Anderson a top prospect and hopefully Neal Cotts along with Garland" that is from the mlb.com arizona fan fourm i almost just about fell out of my chair laughing my ass off HHAHAHAHAHA f***ing hysterical. Arizona has Cub fans too, I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 For a right fielder? Owens and Sweeney don't project to have much power. Of course, it's not like the Sox have a great track record of developing players into stars anyways. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You say Sweeney doesn't project for power, others say differently. Lefthanded hitting, high average, great defense, great arm ... I am quite certain he's penned in on that 3 yr. board of KW's. They don't need power out of a leadoff hitter. Podsednik is under their control for one more year. I see Owens sliding into that spot easily, he is almost ready now. Chris Young is high impact, they love him. He is, arguably, a year away. Timeline sure is interesting. Garland turns down a 3 year deal, all of a sudden the White Sox are pushing to get Vazquez. Shocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitlesswonder Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(JimH @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 12:04 PM) Let me add this. Assuming Chris Young and Ryan Sweeney and Jerry Owens are as good as Guillen has said, why do you need Brian Anderson after 2006? Of the group, only Young I think has the ability to play above average defense in CF. If Young has a great season at AAA this year, then maybe you can trade BA. But if you trade Anderson now, the Sox need a new CF for 2006. Edited December 13, 2005 by hitlesswonder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 12:13 PM) Of the group, only Young I think has the ability to play above average defense in CF. If Young has a great season at AAA this year, then maybe you can trade BA. But if you trade Anderson now, the Sox need a new CF for 2006. Has Carl Everett signed with Seattle yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 But if you trade Anderson now, the Sox need a new CF for 2006. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Right, how do you feel about a veteran of some sort sharing the job with Owens, whom Guillen has raved about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 I don't have a problem trading Brian Anderson, as long as you go get a 1 year replacement like Brady Clark. Then, I'll take my chances with Chris Young being ready by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 I would be willing to bet if the Sox got Vazquez for Garland and they got no financial relief from Arizona, you would most likely be looking at Contreras' final year in a Sox uniform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 12:15 PM) Right, how do you feel about a veteran of some sort sharing the job with Owens, whom Guillen has raved about? If I'm not mistaken, Owens has major question marks defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 (edited) If I'm not mistaken, Owens has major question marks defensively. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Guillen raved about his play in winter ball, so who knows. He profiles best as a LF though, but he can play CF. Don't forget about Mackowiak being able to play some CF too. Edited December 13, 2005 by JimH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 12:16 PM) If I'm not mistaken, Owens has major question marks defensively. He does. And there are some scouts who think Anderson has question marks defensively especially in CF. KW seems to think otherwise, at least in the case of Anderson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 Anyone have Vazquez stats over the last 2 seasons? I'm afraid he will get bombed at the Cell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 Deege (Champaign) Rumor has it that the White Sox are on the verge of making a deal with the D-Backs to acquire Javier Vazquez. A bit puzzling, since Ozzie Guillen wanted to leave his pitching staff untouched. Do you see this deal going down? Thanks. JERRY CRASNICK Deege,The White Sox don't seem like the most logical landing spot for Vazquez, but I did hear some rumblings about that at the winter meetings in Dallas. Kenny Williams likes to make big moves, and that one would surely qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 He does. And there are some scouts who think Anderson has question marks defensively especially in CF. KW seems to think otherwise, at least in the case of Anderson. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The question marks are arm strength and route running. The route running issue supposedly has improved. Guillen raved about the guy, he is making the calls basically, so that's good enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 12:18 PM) Anyone have Vazquez stats over the last 2 seasons? I'm afraid he will get bombed at the Cell. He was great the first half of 2004, and then the roof caved in. I'm pretty sure his ERA was well over 6.00 the second half of 2004 with the Yankees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 So there was talk about this during the winter meetings? Looks like there is a leek in KWs radar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 06:20 PM) He was great the first half of 2004, and then the roof caved in. I'm pretty sure his ERA was well over 6.00 the second half of 2004 with the Yankees. And why do we want to take a chance with a guy like this? The Loaiza for Contreras deal was not a 'big' risk. But trading a sure thing in Garland for a question mark is scary. Even if it is the last year of his deal. Just ride the wave to another title and go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcpweiner Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 I've said it before and I'll say it again: The only reason Jon-Jon had a career year last year was the vastly improved defense. By the team not giving up extra outs, Jon was able to stay away from those huge innings he gave up in years past. That being said, the defense will still be solid next year, even with the subtraction of Rowand from CF, meaning Jon will be a stud pitcher again next year. But if he gets shipped off to the D-Backs, I doubt he'll be as successful. Overall, I like the trade. Sure, the "Jon not willing to sign long-term" is a reason. But its mostly because I have a massive hard-on for Javy and those damn K's of his. Most likely, because he led my fantasy team to a championship that stud season of his years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 12:22 PM) And why do we want to take a chance with a guy like this? The Loaiza for Contreras deal was not a 'big' risk. But trading a sure thing in Garland for a question mark is scary. Even if it is the last year of his deal. Just ride the wave to another title and go from there. Even though I always had the opinion the Graland was "on the verge" and the fact that he appeared to come into his own this year, I don't consider garland a sure thing. His second half gives me slight pause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 12:22 PM) And why do we want to take a chance with a guy like this? The Loaiza for Contreras deal was not a 'big' risk. But trading a sure thing in Garland for a question mark is scary. Even if it is the last year of his deal. Just ride the wave to another title and go from there. And in 2007 you have if you lose Jon and Jose due to FA. Buerhle Garcia Bmac ? ? Edited December 13, 2005 by southsideirish71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 06:20 PM) The question marks are arm strength and route running. The route running issue supposedly has improved. Guillen raved about the guy, he is making the calls basically, so that's good enough for me. Arm strength for Anderson? I thought his arm is supposed to be much, much, much better than Rowand's arm was this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 :banghead 07? if we get vazquez? uhhhh bmack...mark.....garcia.....vazquez....and resign contreras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 QUOTE(rcpweiner @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 06:23 PM) I've said it before and I'll say it again: The only reason Jon-Jon had a career year last year was the vastly improved defense. By the team not giving up extra outs, Jon was able to stay away from those huge innings he gave up in years past. Jon had a career year because he drastically improved his control. Not only did he walk fewer batters, but he also didn't leave as many meatballs over the heart of the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 QUOTE(hi8is @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 12:27 PM) :banghead 07? if we get vazquez? uhhhh bmack...mark.....garcia.....vazquez....and resign contreras I cleared it up. I was saying if we stay put and try and resign Jose and Jon and fail at both. Remember the price tag on pitching is silly now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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