WHarris1 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 (edited) I like it. Sure El Duque was a clutch guy in the playoffs with a cool leg kick but c'mon dumping his salary is huge and he would not help us significantly anyway. Vizcaino was the last RH out of the pen and is replacable to say the very least. Chris Young, now that's a loss that hurts. I still like it. Although it may depend on what KW turns Garland into. Edited December 14, 2005 by WHarris1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Wedge @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 02:33 PM) So is our rotation now the Killer J's? Javier Jon Jose Killer Js... good... I like the deal If we do deal Garland for some relief pitchers and all other deals from that point forward could we start getting some high grade prospects back. If we don't get prospects back KW will look brilliant for a while but down the road we'll have to buy players. WE will have no one in our farm system like the yankees and cubs. Edited December 14, 2005 by forrestg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 01:55 PM) I like it. Sure El Duque was a clutch guy in the playoffs with a cool leg kick but c'mon dumping his salary is huge and he would not help us significantly anyway. Vizcaino was the last RH out of the pen and is replacable to say the very least. Chris Young, now that's a loss that hurts. I still like it. Although it may depend on what KW turns Garland into. hopefully a contract extension Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(forrestg @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 01:58 PM) Killer Js... good... I like the deal If we do deal Garland for some relief pitchers and all other deals from that point forward could we start getting some high grade prospects back. If we don't get prospects back KW will look brilliant for a while but down the road we'll have to buy players will have no one in our farm system like the yankees and cubs. i am gonna make a sig with that. Garland, Vazquez, and Contreras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(Wedge @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 01:33 PM) So is our rotation now the Killer J's? Javier Jon Jose Nah...let's stay away from that and any Houston "Killer" take-offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHAMBARONS Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 01:55 PM) I agree and disagree. I know they have REAL high expectations of Anderson, but what if? What if he doesnt pan out? Ownes is fast, but has no power. Sweeney has no power or speed. young has both power (i was suprise to read he had 20+ HRs last year) and speed. EXACTLY!! You don't give up players with the caliber of Young 26 Homers 42 doubles and 30 steals. Wow Az got them selves a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(BHAMBARONS @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 02:11 PM) EXACTLY!! You don't give up players with the caliber of Young 26 Homers 42 doubles and 30 steals. Wow Az got them selves a good one. Joe Borchard had great numbers in the Minors. Young is a prospect and prospects are suspects until proven otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I voted "I'll wait and see", but I'm leaning toward "Terrible Trade" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:15 PM) Joe Borchard had great numbers in the Minors. Young is a prospect and prospects are suspects until proven otherwise. Comparing prospects is like comparing apples and oranges. Each one is different.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 02:15 PM) Joe Borchard had great numbers in the Minors. Young is a prospect and prospects are suspects until proven otherwise. You can't just throw Borchard's name out there forever. There has to be a real comparison before you use his name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSox30 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 With yankees/dbacks, Vazquez is 3-0 against the white sox over the last 2 years giving up 5 runs in 24 innings over 3 starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHAMBARONS Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:15 PM) Joe Borchard had great numbers in the Minors. Young is a prospect and prospects are suspects until proven otherwise. I have seen CY all year long and let me tell you he and Borchard are not even in the same league. Power, Speed, Defense the complete package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I'm starting to notice a pretty bothersome trend, however. If some aren't careful, they are going to find themselves in the Billy Beane...er...I mean...Kenny Williams can not do any wrong camp. Once you find yourself in that camp, it's awfully hard to move away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 02:17 PM) You can't just throw Borchard's name out there forever. There has to be a real comparison before you use his name. Borchard had pretty good speed when he was in the Minors. He had monster power (still has that) and hit for a good average. What about Olivo? He was supposed to be the next Pudge Rodriguez. Never happened. Jeremy Reed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky3353 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 this deal really shows the sox' intolerence of Scott Boras-Garland's agent. I heard the sox initally offered a 3 yr 24 mil deal, and boras and garland declined. Also, How good is Chris Young? Who would be his MLB comparison? From what i heard he sounds like juan pierre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(Ricky3353 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:21 PM) this deal really shows the sox' intolerence of Scott Boras-Garland's agent. I heard the sox initally offered a 3 yr 24 mil deal, and boras and garland declined. Also, How good is Chris Young? Who would be his MLB comparison? From what i heard he sounds like juan pierre. Borass isn't Garland's agent... It is Craig Landis, who is also PKs agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:22 PM) Borchard had pretty good speed when he was in the Minors. He had monster power (still has that) and hit for a good average. What about Olivo? He was supposed to be the next Pudge Rodriguez. Never happened. Jeremy Reed? They are different people. Different prospects. Different talents. Completely different. And Reed did well last year for a rooke in Safeco.. whats your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(Ricky3353 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 02:21 PM) this deal really shows the sox' intolerence of Scott Boras-Garland's agent. I heard the sox initally offered a 3 yr 24 mil deal, and boras and garland declined. Also, How good is Chris Young? Who would be his MLB comparison? From what i heard he sounds like juan pierre. Boras is Crede's agent though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(Ricky3353 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:21 PM) From what i heard he sounds like juan pierre. Who told you that? Young is close to being a 30/30 guy.. Pierre is a 5/60 guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHAMBARONS Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(Ricky3353 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:21 PM) How good is Chris Young? Who would be his MLB comparison? From what i heard he sounds like juan pierre. Are you kidding? Chris Young hit more homeruns last year than Pierre has hit in his whole career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 02:30 PM) They are different people. Different prospects. Different talents. Completely different. And Reed did well last year for a rooke in Safeco.. whats your point? 141 488 61 124 33 3 3 45 12 .254 .322 .352 Not great stats. Also Olivo was supposed to be the next best catcher in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:31 PM) 141 488 61 124 33 3 3 45 12 .254 .322 .352 Not great stats. Look at his away splits. Then look at his defense. Then look at the fact that he was a rookie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHAMBARONS Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:31 PM) 141 488 61 124 33 3 3 45 12 .254 .322 .352 Not great stats. Also Olivo was supposed to be the next best catcher in baseball. I just have to ask have you seen Chris Young play a game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(BHAMBARONS @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 02:33 PM) I just have to ask have you seen Chris Young play a game? in Spring Training. I was impressed however like I said there is no guarantee that he will be a great Major League Player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(BHAMBARONS @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 02:33 PM) I just have to ask have you seen Chris Young play a game? Tell them bhambarons! Losing Young will hurt. There is no denying that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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