Steve9347 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 (edited) Javier at a Glance Here are a few stats that stand out about him. Career ERA: 4.28 This is not exactly what you would call top tier stuff, but is decent when you look at what has happened over the last two years. 3.42, 3.91, 3.24 ERA of Vazquez his final three seasons in Montreal. 4.68 Average ERA between NY and Arizona over the last two years. 194 Average strikeouts per season over the last 5 years. 219.94 Average innings pitched per season over last 5 years. 68 Amount of homeruns given up by Javier over the last 2 years. 29 AGE, perhaps the most telling statistic, he has many years left. QUOTE OF THE DAY "I just coach who comes to me; I'm looking forward to having a crack at him" -Coop on Javier Vazquez, 12/14 Vazquez has the makings to be a Freddy Garcia with more strikeouts, which is a good thing. Time will tell if Coop can turn him around, and hopefully he can. Vazquez has the pure "stuff" to be as dominant as Jose Contreras on his best day, and maybe more. Vazquez's ceiling is higher than Garland, Garcia, and B-Mac, but we have to get him to reach that potential. Knowing Coop, I think it will happen to the tune of 18 wins and a sub 3.50 ERA with 200+ K's. Here's hoping. Edited December 14, 2005 by Steve9347 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 02:32 PM) Javier at a Glance Here are a few stats that stand out about him. Career ERA: 4.28 This is not exactly what you would call top tier stuff, but is decent when you look at what has happened over the last two years. 3.42, 3.91, 3.24 ERA of Vazquez his final three seasons in Montreal. 4.68 Average ERA between NY and Arizona over the last two years. 194 Average strikeouts per season over the last 5 years. 219.94 Average innings pitched per season over last 5 years. 68 Amount of homeruns given up by Javier over the last 2 years. 29 AGE, perhaps the most telling statistic, he has many years left. QUOTE OF THE DAY -Coop on Javier Vazquez, 12/14 Vazquez has the makings to be a Freddy Garcia with more strikeouts, which is a good thing. Time will tell if Coop can turn him around, and hopefully he can. Vazquez has the pure "stuff" to be as dominant as Jose Contreras on his best day, and maybe more. Vazquez's ceiling is higher than Garland, Garcia, and B-Mac, but we have to get him to reach that potential. Knowing Coop, I think it will happen to the tune of 18 wins and a sub 3.50 ERA with 200+ K's. Here's hoping. I have always been a huge Vazquez fan and have wanted the Sox to go after him for 2 or 3 years now. I am glad it was finally done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 (edited) What can we learn about his pitches? What types does he use and which is his best? What is his strike-out pitch? from espn: Scouting Report 2004 Season It was a tale of two halves for Javier Vazquez in his first year with the Yankees after coming over from Montreal. He was solid, if unspectacular, before the All-Star break, winning 10 games with an ERA of 3.56. Then came the miserable second half. A post-break 6.92 ERA and 4-5 record relegated him to a long relief role during most of the postseason. Pitching Vazquez has a repertoire that consists of a fastball, slider, changeup and curveball. His fastball can reach 94 MPH, but he has a proclivity to overthrow, negatively affecting his command. A deceptive changeup thrown with outstanding arm action all but neutralizes any lefthanded advantage and many scouts believe it to be his most effective pitch. His curveball is a quality third pitch, but problems with mechanics frequently leave Vazquez hanging it on the inner third. In light of early career overuse, it is imperative that Vazquez find an efficient, repeatable delivery. Defense Vazquez adroitly patrols the vicinity where he works. Nimble to the ball, he makes plays other pitchers would not. When it comes to stopping the running game, there are few righthanders who do it any better. His three pickoffs were more than the two stolen bases he gave up all season. When Torii Hunter stole second off him on August 17, it broke a streak of 239 innings and 34 games without giving up a stolen base. 2005 Outlook There have been rumors the Yankees might look to trade Vazquez for someone more New York tested. Some even wondered if Vazquez was throwing with an injured shoulder. An MRI conducted in October showed no structural damage, and may have been a ploy by management to ease any health doubts for possible suitors. Vazquez is signed through 2007, and the Yankees would be wise to give him a little more time to figure things out. Understanding the need for better mechanics, without becoming the dreaded mechanical monster, is a tightrope Vazquez must walk. Edited December 14, 2005 by Wedge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 2004 Season It was a tale of two halves for Javier Vazquez in his first year with the Yankees after coming over from Montreal. He was solid, if unspectacular, before the All-Star break, winning 10 games with an ERA of 3.56. Then came the miserable second half. A post-break 6.92 ERA and 4-5 record relegated him to a long relief role during most of the postseason. Pitching Vazquez has a repertoire that consists of a fastball, slider, changeup and curveball. His fastball can reach 94 MPH, but he has a proclivity to overthrow, negatively affecting his command. A deceptive changeup thrown with outstanding arm action all but neutralizes any lefthanded advantage and many scouts believe it to be his most effective pitch. His curveball is a quality third pitch, but problems with mechanics frequently leave Vazquez hanging it on the inner third. In light of early career overuse, it is imperative that Vazquez find an efficient, repeatable delivery. Defense Vazquez adroitly patrols the vicinity where he works. Nimble to the ball, he makes plays other pitchers would not. When it comes to stopping the running game, there are few righthanders who do it any better. His three pickoffs were more than the two stolen bases he gave up all season. When Torii Hunter stole second off him on August 17, it broke a streak of 239 innings and 34 games without giving up a stolen base. 2005 Outlook There have been rumors the Yankees might look to trade Vazquez for someone more New York tested. Some even wondered if Vazquez was throwing with an injured shoulder. An MRI conducted in October showed no structural damage, and may have been a ploy by management to ease any health doubts for possible suitors. Vazquez is signed through 2007, and the Yankees would be wise to give him a little more time to figure things out. Understanding the need for better mechanics, without becoming the dreaded mechanical monster, is a tightrope Vazquez must walk. Two Seam Velocity: PLUS Movement: PLUS Notes: Goes To 94 Mph Four Seam Velocity: PLUS Movement: AVERAGE Notes: Hitters Swing Through His 4-seamer; He Likes To Elevate It Late In The Count; The Pitch Really Jumps Slider Velocity: AVERAGE Movement: AVERAGE - PLUS Notes: 81-83 Somewhat Slurvy Break But Also Has A Slider With A Short Break And Tilt Curve Velocity: GOOD Movement: GOOD Notes: 73-74 Mph Good Tight 3/4 Break; Uses This As A Change Of Speeds Along With The Change-up Change Up Rating: PLUS Movement: GOOD Notes: Good Arm Motion With Sinking Life. 81-83 Mph DETAILS Control: AVERAGE Can Get Into Periods Of Wildness. Drops Elbow And Gets Under Some Of His Pitches Holding Base Runners: AVERAGE - PLUS Has A Quick Spin And Throw To First Fielding: AVERAGE - PLUS Competitiveness: AVERAGE Can Be Dominant When Throwing Strikes. Sometimes Though He Gets Into A Rut And His Confidence Drops; Gets Into Deep Counts Intelligence: AVERAGE Has The Stuff And The Ability To Mix His Pitches. Just Needs Better Mechanics And Daily Confidence Angle of delivery: 3/4 Hides Ball Well; Tends To Throw Across His Body Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 So what we're getting is a 200+ IP guy who can get some strike-outs. Sounds like just the kind of guy that Ozzie likes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Remember, his good stats were in the National League. Anything in the mid-3's in that league becomes a 4+ ERA in the AL with the DH. And I haven't compared Arizona to the Cell, but I'm sure our ballpark isn't going to help his stats. He gives up a LOT of long balls. 68 in 2 years?? Is that right?? Personally, I'm not sold yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I think this might be one of the biggest benefits after his high K rate: Defense When it comes to stopping the running game, there are few righthanders who do it any better. His three pickoffs were more than the two stolen bases he gave up all season. When Torii Hunter stole second off him on August 17, it broke a streak of 239 innings and 34 games without giving up a stolen base. More pickoffs than stolen bases, and only two stolen bases in 215 IP. That is pretty impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(VAfan @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 02:57 PM) Remember, his good stats were in the National League. Anything in the mid-3's in that league becomes a 4+ ERA in the AL with the DH. And I haven't compared Arizona to the Cell, but I'm sure our ballpark isn't going to help his stats. He gives up a LOT of long balls. 68 in 2 years?? Is that right?? Personally, I'm not sold yet. Looks alot like the scouting report on Contreras huh? Lacks confidence, needs to have repeatable delivery...etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 wow, hes that dominant on defense? didnt know that, that just makes me love this even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 This guy's basically a Garcia clone that strikes out guys more often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(Wedge @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 04:13 PM) This guy's basically a Garcia clone that strikes out guys more often. Except Garcia is much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:18 PM) Except Garcia is much better. take a look at his Montreal stats. If Coop can fix this guy Vazquez is the better pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 04:19 PM) take a look at his Montreal stats. Yea.. thats nice. Except Chicago isn't Montreal.. that might be a problem.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 The Javier Vazquez debate is a long, boring and annoying one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 04:19 PM) Yea.. thats nice. Except Chicago isn't Montreal.. that might be a problem.. No it isn't, but Chicago has a better defensive team behind him than the Expos did. The D-Backs and the Yanks didn't have a good a defense behind him either. Talk about confidence...when you have a bunch of vacuums behind you...that's what gives a pitcher confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 04:23 PM) No it isn't, but Chicago has a better defensive team behind him than the Expos did. The D-Backs and the Yanks didn't have a good a defense behind him either. Talk about confidence...when you have a bunch of vacuums behind you...that's what gives a pitcher confidence. Defense won't matter if the ball is flying out of the ballpark.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:24 PM) Defense won't matter if the ball is flying out of the ballpark.. You can be succesful and give up gopher balls. Javy has had two years with significant homer problems. The last 2 years. Give him some time to settle down here, get used to AJP, work with Coop. It's gonna be Montreal Javy all over again, book it. Edited December 14, 2005 by WHarris1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 04:23 PM) No it isn't, but Chicago has a better defensive team behind him than the Expos did. The D-Backs and the Yanks didn't have a good a defense behind him either. Talk about confidence...when you have a bunch of vacuums behind you...that's what gives a pitcher confidence. you DID with ARow... now its kind of up in the air Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(Reddy @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:25 PM) you DID with ARow... now its kind of up in the air Anderson is a pretty damn good CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernuke Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:18 PM) Except Garcia is much better. Garcia had a better year last year. I'll give you that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I'm really looking foward to seeing Javier pitch. He had 20 quality starts last season, and his WHIP wasn't too bad. Isn't his wife from Chicago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:25 PM) You can be succesful and give up gopher balls. Javy has had two years with significant homer problems. The last 2 years. Give him some time to settle down here, get used to AJP, work with Coop. It's gonna be Montreal Javy all over again, book it. That's where you're wrong. I'm confident he'll be better than before. Mid-3 ERA this year, contention for the AL Cy young the following year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 04:03 PM) That's where you're wrong. I'm confident he'll be better than before. Mid-3 ERA this year, contention for the AL Cy young the following year. What? He was better than that in 03. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 04:03 PM) What? He was better than that in 03. I'm saying in the long run, he'll be better than he ever was before. This upcoming year, he'll have a year like he had in Montreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 04:06 PM) I'm saying in the long run, he'll be better than he ever was before. This upcoming year, he'll have a year like he had in Montreal. So basically we agree... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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