beck72 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 03:22 PM) I want to say first that I love the idea of Tracey coming out of the bullpen. I don't think much of him as a starting pitching propsect but I think he can be damn solid out of the pen especially being the last guy out of the pen to replace Viz. Me too. Having someone who can go more than 1 inning at a time is what the sox need. Tracey seems able to do that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Bob Nightengale posted that LA was looking at Zito. If they'd want one rent a player, why not Garland? http://www.usatoday.com/sports/bbw/columni...14-majors_x.htm The Dodgers should make a run at winning now. Esp in that division. That team has to be one of the top contenders for him, esp. as they have a good minor league system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(beck72 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 05:15 PM) Bob Nightengale posted that LA was looking at Zito. If they'd want one rent a player, why not Garland? http://www.usatoday.com/sports/bbw/columni...14-majors_x.htm The Dodgers should make a run at winning now. Esp in that division. That team has to be one of the top contenders for him, esp. as they have a good minor league system If we got Billingsley and Guzman for him, I'd scream like a girl in excitement. Those two are two of the very best in baseball. Its the one circumstance where I'd deal Garland for prospects (well one of the few). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 07:16 PM) If we got Billingsley and Guzman for him, I'd scream like a girl in excitement. Those two are two of the very best in baseball. Its the one circumstance where I'd deal Garland for prospects (well one of the few). agreed I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 05:23 PM) agreed I Hell considering the names that were mentioend, I could see some sort of package. Or the Sox could ask for less (Cause I doubt the Dodgers would give up both of those prospects, who I may add would probably be 2 of the 10-15 best in baseball). Hell, I think the Dodgers would have interest in Garland and if you think of the Sox needs what about Billingsley or Guzman plus Jonathan Broxton (the reliever). Broxton could come in and develop as a reliever (he'd be ready, imo). Plus the Sox would be getting some depth for the minors (in Billingsley or Guzman) either of which would instantly become our #1 prospect. The guy is almost Jenks Jr. (in terms of big heavy set guy who can throw the piss out of the ball). I forget just how loaded the Dodgers are. Plus Greg Miller was looking good near the end of his season (which started late thanks to some injuries). Dodgers have a lot of different options (and good ones at that) if the Sox are going to go the way of prospects with Garland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 01:16 AM) If we got Billingsley and Guzman for him, I'd scream like a girl in excitement. Those two are two of the very best in baseball. Its the one circumstance where I'd deal Garland for prospects (well one of the few). What about LHP Greg Miller? I know he was hurt. But he was lights out before sitting out 2004. If the sox got a sure thing like Billingsley, they could take a gamble that Miller could stay healthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(beck72 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 07:35 PM) What about LHP Greg Miller? I know he was hurt. But he was lights out before sitting out 2004. If the sox got a sure thing like Billingsley, they could take a gamble that Miller could stay healthy Billingsley and Miller was actually the package I was thinking of. Miller was pretty damn solid last year actually but he's not the elite prospect that he was though he's still pretty damn good. You get an elite pitching spect and another damn good one and that's not bad at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 05:39 PM) Billingsley and Miller was actually the package I was thinking of. Miller was pretty damn solid last year actually but he's not the elite prospect that he was though he's still pretty damn good. You get an elite pitching spect and another damn good one and that's not bad at all. Miller rehabed his arm and was really good last year (once he got rolling). If his stuff is back a package of the two of them would be nice, but I'd like to find a way to get an arm that we could immediately throw into the pen as well. Thats the reason I like Broxton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 07:42 PM) Miller rehabed his arm and was really good last year (once he got rolling). If his stuff is back a package of the two of them would be nice, but I'd like to find a way to get an arm that we could immediately throw into the pen as well. Thats the reason I like Broxton. I hear ya, and Broxton is another guy that I thought of. If Kenny is looking to trade Jon for young arms the Dodgers for sure make the most sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 01:42 AM) Miller rehabed his arm and was really good last year (once he got rolling). If his stuff is back a package of the two of them would be nice, but I'd like to find a way to get an arm that we could immediately throw into the pen as well. Thats the reason I like Broxton. Broxton struggled in his late MLB call up. Those struggles could make LA weary of keeping him. Yet one month isn't everything. His pro career seems impressive up to that point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 05:44 PM) I hear ya, and Broxton is another guy that I thought of. If Kenny is looking to trade Jon for young arms the Dodgers for sure make the most sense. Of course I find it highly unlikely that Kenny is going to do that. I could see him dealing for a good major leaguer and a grooming closer (in the minors) but I can't see him going the prospect route (although those prospects could either help him in a year or two or be used at the deadline). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(beck72 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 05:45 PM) Broxton struggled in his late MLB call up. Those struggles could make LA weary of keeping him. Yet one month isn't everything. His pro career seems impressive up to that point 13 innings, 13 hits and like 19 k's. He gave up some runs, but the Dodgers were raving about the kid. This guy is basically Jenks Jr. Doesn't have the other pitches Jenks has, but has upper 90's fastball and he hits 100 on ocassion. Isn't just a FB guy though, but still has to work on his command (as does Jenks). But he's 6-4 and like 260 pounds and is a converted starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 01:45 AM) Of course I find it highly unlikely that Kenny is going to do that. I could see him dealing for a good major leaguer and a grooming closer (in the minors) but I can't see him going the prospect route (although those prospects could either help him in a year or two or be used at the deadline). But if one prospect could start the yr in AAA [a SP, ala BMac this past yr] and the other help in the pen, I could see KW do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chek2002 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Appearing on ESPN News,Tim Kurkjian said that the White Sox and Rangers are discussing a trade that would send 3B Hank Blalock to the Sox for P Jon Garland and 3B Joe Crede. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(Chek2002 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 08:08 PM) Appearing on ESPN News,Tim Kurkjian said that the White Sox and Rangers are discussing a trade that would send 3B Hank Blalock to the Sox for P Jon Garland and 3B Joe Crede. Did he say they were discussing it or did he just say it made sense? Cause he just threw it out there on sc saying it would make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 02:11 AM) Did he say they were discussing it or did he just say it made sense? Cause he just threw it out there on sc saying it would make sense. cbssportsline rumor mill said Blalock would be the front part of a package. KW would probably need a pitching spect to go along with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 In Kurkjian's segment on espn news and sportscenter he said that the sox MIGHT be talking to texas.... his exact words we're: "it is speculated..." another way of saying it would be that Kurkjian went to soxtalk, read up on what we had found in news articles, and regergatated our vomit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 08:11 PM) Did he say they were discussing it or did he just say it made sense? Cause he just threw it out there on sc saying it would make sense. He did say it made sense, but his body language appeared to indicate some disapproval with the trade proposal. As if he was suggesting, "well, It sort of makes sense. FOR TEXAS." I'm not familiar with Texas' farm system, but for Garland AND Crede we better be receiving their top prospect. Whether that's a pitching or hitting prospect, we need their best player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 (edited) He did say it made sense, but his body language appeared to indicate some disapproval with the trade proposal. As if he was suggesting, "well, It sort of makes sense. FOR TEXAS." I'm not familiar with Texas' farm system, but for Garland AND Crede we better be receiving their top prospect. Whether that's a pitching or hitting prospect, we need their best player. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Rangers get: Jon Garland Joe Crede White Sox get: Hank Blalock John Danks OR Thomas Diamond Edited December 16, 2005 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 08:32 PM) Rangers get: Jon Garland Joe Crede White Sox get: Hank Blalock John Danks OR Thomas Diamond In addition, they can add in another mid-level prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 In addition, they can add in another mid-level prospect. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You have to factor in that Garland will only be under their control for one season and Crede will be a free agent soon after. Blalock has a cheap 3-year contract with a 4th year option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 08:37 PM) You have to factor in that Garland will only be under their control for one season and Crede will be a free agent soon after. Blalock has a cheap 3-year contract with a 4th year option. Good point. I'm defintely cool with Garland/Crede for Blalock and one of Diamond or Danks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 08:37 PM) You have to factor in that Garland will only be under their control for one season and Crede will be a free agent soon after. Blalock has a cheap 3-year contract with a 4th year option. Regardless, we're trading two proven major league commodoties for another proven player and a prospect. Unless either of those pitchers are can't misses, they better include another mid-level player. You have to ask yourself if they were highly touted, and Texas having the pitching problems they do, why would they entertain trading either? Must mean either they're several years away, or they're that desperate for pitching as to give up a can't miss prospect for Garland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank the Tank 35 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Meh, not a fan of many Texas players... I would jump in an instant on Michael Young though. Don't they have some prospect coming up at ss? or is that a 2bman? Garland and Crede for Blalock and one of their top sp prospects? Pass. Gotta give me more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 Blalock still worries the hell out of me with him Home - Away Splits from this season. The Sox have to look at him and wonder if he's good enough to overcome that. Frankly I'd just stick with Crede, if you could get him under control for another 3 seasons (which I know is a big if). But besides Blalock, there's not a lot of options if you're looking for a 3rd baseman. Adrian Beltre possibly, but Seattle would have to pay some of his contract. Otherwise I'd go for the reliever + quality prospects scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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