NBA Eff. Ratings

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Come on, you know that you like those guys.  Don't lie to me.

 

I don't give a f*** about what place you're in.  It's fantasy basketball, not reality.  And besides, if I'm going to win, I'm going to do it the right way, not with a bunch of strokes.  I wouldn't draft Steve Francis, Bonzi Wells, or Drew Gooden if my life depended on it.  I'd rather grab guys before they become something.  Boris Diaw, Samuel Dalembert, Zaza Pachulia, David West, Marquis Daniels, etc.  That's why fantasy basketball is fun to me.  It would absolutely SUCK if I had your team, good God.

 

 

So you play to lose? :headshake

 

Anyways, I'll just enjoy winning while you have fun with your players. It would absolutely suck to have your team.

 

I have Artest and Dalembert in the other soxtalk league. Overall, I play to win.

[hammerhead johnson]

So you play to lose?    :headshake

 

Anyways, I'll just enjoy winning while you have fun with your players.  It would absolutely suck to have your team.   

 

I have Artest and Dalembert in the other soxtalk league.  Overall, I play to win.  

 

Uh huh, and how is this not playing to win:

 

PG: Nash

SG: M. Daniels

G: Diaw

SF: Artest

PF: D. Howard

F: J O'Neal

C: Dalembert

C: Pryzbilla

UT: Pachulia

UT: C. Anthony

BN: David West

BN: Delonte West

BN: Livingston

 

You kidding me? Are you trying to tell me that I don't have a chance of winning this league? Get the f*** outta here.

Edited December 15, 2005 by hammerhead johnson

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Uh huh, and how is this not playing to win:

 

PG: Nash

SG: M. Daniels

G: Diaw

SF: Artest

PF: Howard

F: J O'Neal

C: Dalembert

C: Pryzbilla

UT: Pachulia

UT: C. Anthony

BN: David West

BN: Delonte West

BN: Livingston

 

You kidding me?  Are you trying to tell me that I don't have a chance of winning this league?  Get the f*** outta here.

 

I really don't give a s*** about your team, and I don't know how we started discussing fantasy basketball. I mean, I'm still gonna finish better than you, and I like my chances at winning both leagues too, even though I like my other team more.

 

Anyways, just let me know when tyson starts becoming the defensive monster you keep blindly preaching, as long as it's with the Bulls. If it's not, I really won't care about him.

[qwerty]

You really think that Brand can take over games defensively?  I guess that we'd have to agree to disagree.  In Brand, I see a guy who has the right attitude, and I think that he's an effective defender, but having the ability to take over games defensively is beyond rare in this league, and Brand just doesn't have the tools as far as I can tell.  You know what I'm saying.  Height, wingspan, leaping ability, etc.  Tyson has all of those things plus work ethic and a mean streak to go with it.  Eventually, he'll be up to speed in terms of basketball IQ.  He didn't attend a Duke or North Carolina for 4 years.  Brand has had one hell of a head start in establishing himself. 

 

And I know what you're saying about Tyson not going up strong for dunks and what not.  Can't defend him there.

 

Right now as it stands they are not even comparable defensively and i am being serious. If chandler keeps playing like he has the last two games ( songo and him really like coming off the bench) then they are more comparable. He is not quite as weak as sleepy makes him out to be but he certainly is not ready to guard the centers in this league and some of the top power forwards will still give him trouble.

 

His lack of basketball iq? I don't feel sorry for him. Go to college and get better... that goes for every player evAr imo. Go for at least one year, they teach you more in one year of college than you probally learn your entire life before hand.

 

While i do not like duke and usually duke players in general, i have always liked and respected brand. He could have come out his junior year and been a top three pick but he still went back for another year.

 

I like chandler alot and think he will be a force but he needs to get smarter, stronger, and more aware on offense... and dunk the damn ball.

[hammerhead johnson]

I really don't give a s*** about your team, and I don't know how we started discussing fantasy basketball.  I mean, I'm still gonna finish better than you, and I like my chances at winning both leagues too, even though I like my other team more.

 

You just said "Have fun losing", as if I don't have a team capable of contending in League 1. I listed my roster, and your response was "I don't care about your team". You're like a little f***ing kid or something.

[hammerhead johnson]

His lack of basketball iq? I don't feel sorry for him. Go to college and get better... that goes for every player evAr imo.  Go for at least one year, they teach you more in one year of college than you probally learn your entire life before hand.

 

I agree 100%. Every player whould be required to play at least three years of college basketball.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

You just said "Have fun losing", as if I don't have a team capable of contending in League 1.  I listed my roster, and your response was "I don't care about your team".  You're like a little f***ing kid or something.

 

 

I'm tempted to bring back the picture of the little girl crying.

[hammerhead johnson]

         

 

I'm tempted to bring back the picture of the little girl crying.

 

How about a pic of Larry Hughes, and then you can put the words "Defensive Player Of The Year" right underneath it.

 

Okay, I'm done with this thread.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

How about a pic of Larry Hughes, and then you can put the words "Defensive Player Of The Year" right underneath it. 

 

Okay, I'm done with this thread.

 

Was he first-team? Yep.

 

You're done with it yet you haven't left...

 

Have you realized how horribly wrong you are about saying that tyson is or ever will be better than Brand at anything?

 

You're tempting me to save all the tyson-luving bulls*** you preach so I can rub it in your face when you realize how wrong you are, but I won't. Notice how everyone but you sees the real tyson, all of his deficiencies and how atrocious that trade was.

[hammerhead johnson]

Have you realized how horribly wrong you are about saying that tyson is or ever will be better than Brand at anything?

 

You're tempting me to save all the tyson-luving bulls*** you preach so I can rub it in your face when you realize how wrong you are, but I won't.  Notice how everyone but you sees the real tyson, all of his deficiencies and how atrocious that trade was.

 

Why on God's green Earth would I back a guy if I thought that I was horribly wrong in doing so?

 

There are a s***load of people out there who like to debate basketball. Perhaps there is someone out there who was never wrong about anything, I dunno. If I happen to be wrong about Tyson, then so be it. What's important is that my philosophy is correct. I think Tyson Chandler has A CHANCE to go down as an insane defender. Absolutely insane. Historically, you kind of want to have those guys on your team, as points in the paint is really the defining factor in a 7 game series. The PF slot is where 80% of your devastating big men are gonna be for the next half dozen years. Am I wrong? Should I not want a guy to be all that he can be and become that absolutely incredibly insane defender guarding all these crazy scoring PFs?

 

I mean, what are you hoping for? Remember when you backed such an incredible stroke like Eddy Curry who has no passion, no desire, no nothing? You back Ben Gordon.

 

You're talking about saving stuff that I say so that I'll hopefully be wrong and you can post it? Dude, you said that Larry Hughes is a better defender than Bruce Bowen. Everything wrong that I say from this point on to the day that I die combined could never measure up to that. So please, post a picture of some little girl or something.

[WilliamTell]

I know most hate Tim Floyd and think he's horrible but he had a bad wrap to being with. I would've liked to see any coach try to coach the Bulls team he had while he was there. It would've been basically the same. But he shouldn't have been the coach anyways, he's a very good college coach, but coaching the NBA is totally a different level.

[rangercal]

Why on God's green Earth would I back a guy if I thought that I was horribly wrong in doing so?

 

There are a s***load of people out there who like to debate basketball.  Perhaps there is someone out there who was never wrong about anything, I dunno.  If I happen to be wrong about Tyson, then so be it.  What's important is that my philosophy is correct.  I think Tyson Chandler has A CHANCE to go down as an insane defender.  Absolutely insane.  Historically, you kind of want to have those guys on your team, as points in the paint is really the defining factor in a 7 game series.  The PF slot is where 80% of your devastating big men are gonna be for the next half dozen years.  Am I wrong?  Should I not want a guy to be all that he can be and become that absolutely incredibly insane defender guarding all these crazy scoring PFs?

 

I mean, what are you hoping for?  Remember when you backed such an incredible stroke like Eddy Curry who has no passion, no desire, no nothing?  You back Ben Gordon.

 

You're talking about saving stuff that I say so that I'll hopefully be wrong and you can post it?  Dude, you said that Larry Hughes is a better defender than Bruce Bowen.  Everything wrong that I say from this point on to the day that I die combined could never measure up to that.  So please, post a picture of some little girl    or something.

Tyson=A CHANCE

Brand = Proven

Krause= Moron

[rangercal]

I know most hate Tim Floyd and think he's horrible but he had a bad wrap to being with. I would've liked to see any coach try to coach the Bulls team he had while he was there. It would've been basically the same. But he shouldn't have been the coach anyways, he's a very good college coach, but coaching the NBA is totally a different level.

[hammerhead johnson]

Tyson=A CHANCE

Brand = Proven

Krause= Moron

 

Cal, you know that Krause knew how to scout defense, and then some. He has gone after half-assed scoring options like Jalen Rose, Jamal Crawford, Eddy Curry, etc, but god damn did he know his s*** when it came to acquiring defensive hounds. Some legendary dudes have shown up at Berto. Pippen, Rodman, Artest, Bowen, and now, HOPEFULLY, Tyson Chandler. I'm not gonna root against him like so many choose to do on here, given his potential.

 

Brand is a pretty crazy overall player, though. I'd like to have both him and Tyson.

Edited December 15, 2005 by hammerhead johnson

[nitetrain8601]

I had the impression that at the time of the trade that Elton Brand really, really wanted to get out of Chicago. I'm glad that he's having success now. It certainly would be nice to have a post player like Brand on this team right now, but when Chandler is healthy, he is pretty good at filling a role as an energy/hustle type player.

 

That's true and a factor no one talks about. Basically he said that he would not re-up with Chicago and his current agent(back then) had a bad relationship with Chicago and was the one who spoke for Brand when he said they probably won't resign.

[hammerhead johnson]

Ahh f***, nitetrain's getting ready to post. I'm outta here like Vladimir.

 

PEACE

[WilliamTell]

 

I was saying that sure he isn't a pro coach but everyone would've struggled with that team.

[nitetrain8601]

I was saying that sure he isn't a pro coach but everyone would've struggled with that team.

 

They would've struggled, but they at least would've help their players improve. Floyd is not a coach who does that.

[WilliamTell]

They would've struggled, but they at least would've help their players improve. Floyd is not a coach who does that.

 

Which is why he's a better college coach. He had some very talented teams at Iowa State.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

You're talking about saving stuff that I say so that I'll hopefully be wrong and you can post it?  Dude, you said that Larry Hughes is a better defender than Bruce Bowen.  Everything wrong that I say from this point on to the day that I die combined could never measure up to that.  So please, post a picture of some little girl    or something.

 

Resorting to putting words in my mouth...And I thought you were done with this thread.

 

Show me where I said Hughes was better than Bowen. You can't find something that isn't there. I stand by my saying that Hughes would get strong consideration for the award because voters tend to vote for leaders in defensive categories (steals and blocks), and he certainly did because he was named to the NBA All-Defensive First Team.

 

You really don't have to pout just because I don't agree with you.

 

I just find it funny how nobody agrees with your assessment on tyson. In fact, I dare you to go to any other board, specifically an NBA board, and post the same things you do and see if anyone agrees with you. I don't frequent any but I'm sure that you and qwerty and a few others on here know some. Show me anyone else that says they think tyson will be a "legend on defense." Show me anyone else who knows anything about basketball that says they would rather have tyson over Elton Brand. I honestly think that nobody who truly knows basketball will agree with your silly speculation that you have now resorted to basing on potential and upside. He might get better...I mean he has to...but he has done nothing to show that he will ever develop into one of the greatest defenders of all time as you hope for. Use that same language and show me who agrees.

 

Like I said, I just find it hilarious that you have nothing to base your claims on other than him being tall and having long arms which gives him the so-called "potential" to "possibly/maybe" turn out to be "great."

[jenksd]

I didn't read any part of this thread because it's probably basic OMG TYSON SUCKS! BRAND RULES! that it always ends up when this is discussed, but Brand wasn't going to resign with us most likely anyways.