SoxFan1 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Anybody see the Chicago Tribune Live poll this evening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(kevin57 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 01:06 PM) I would like to believe this is a White Sox town, but certainly not yet, I'd say. The Sox made some blunders in their marketing so that many, many 30-40 year olds (yes, that key demographic) barely relate to the Sox as a Chicago team, let alone cheer for them. As has been said, this used to be a Sox town. It can again be one. But it will take time to rebuild it as so. What is not noted in this article is if the Trib dumps the Cubs because of their financial problems (anyone see how the Braves are being dumped by their conglomerate?), how much that will change the "Cub town" dynamic. Funny, I hate this converstation with a guy here at school I met last night at the poker table. We were talking and when I said I was from the South of Chicago he said sox fan right. I said of course. My friend from home town (Flossmoor) was also there with me and hes a cubs fan. The guy himself was from Zionsville, a prominent Indianapolis suburb. He said he was a colts, pacers, and cubs fan. I didn't even ask why, I just turned to him and said "WGN came in on your cable at home when you were growing up right". He turned to me and said "exactly" why I am cubs fan. The point is cubs fans or so they call themselves, are more like follows of the incumbent. They are cubs fans by defualt becuase there was no choice. It is these people I have the least respect for. Problem being the real cubs fans, ones from chicago, I respect becuase at least they made their decision with both games in town or by family alleginace. Not just becuase WGN is a defualt channel and 99% of cable systems in this country. The real problem is something sox fans have said for years against cubs fans claiming their huge national following and cub nation. Its basically made up of out of towners, tourists, and people that get WGN hundreds of miles away from Chicago. Most baseball teams are broadcast at best 100 miles away from their city. These WGN cubs fans as I like to call them dont really know anything. They jsut walk around with a cubs hat and beleive bracelet becuase they find confident in numbers. Numbers that even real cubs fans are ashamed above. Cubs fans everywhere WGN raised or the real ones main argument on their superiorty is always look at our packed stadium, look at the cubs fans on the road, look at all the cubs supporters nation wide. And thats exactly it, they are just casual supporters, not fans. They dont know the cubs traded Joe Carter for Rick Sutcliffe, they dont remember when the Cubs had Randall Simon, they dont know Cory Patterson's real name is Donald, and they certaintly dont know who Bobby Howry or Scott Eyre are (and they played for the sox in 2000). Going to school in Indiana and traveling around the midwest has proven this to be the case to me for some time now. The problem isn't going to go away, but if everyone on both sides acknowledged the fact we would get along better. I dont want to fight with Cubs "Supporters" I wanna fight with cubs fans (from chicago). Too bad the cubs fans cant draw the line between their own. Their loss!! Edited December 16, 2005 by joeynach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I think the 2 or 3 years AFTER you win a World Series are just as important as the year you win it. I look at the Angels and how much their fanbase and national recognition has grown in the few years since 2002. The moves Kenny is making combined with the continual revamping of the stadium and surrounding neighborhood image could win the Sox alot of fans in the "swing" voters of Chicago. It takes time but I'm a believer in the "if you build it (a dynasty), they will come." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowninginflame Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 If they keep winning, s*** will change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the People's Champ Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 11:12 PM) Less fans=less money=no jim thome or javy vazquez this year. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 2005 - Jim Thome + Javy Vasquez = Championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(the People's Champ @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 12:14 PM) 2005 - Jim Thome + Javy Vasquez = Championship Huh? 2005 minus Jim Thome plus Vazquez equals championship? What are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandy125 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(the People's Champ @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:14 AM) 2005 - Jim Thome + Javy Vasquez = Championship Fixed: 2005 - (Jim Thome + Javy Vasquez) = Championship in 2005 A bit redundant, but I doubt we would win again with the same team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin57 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(vandy125 @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 12:23 PM) Fixed: 2005 - (Jim Thome + Javy Vasquez) = Championship in 2005 A bit redundant, but I doubt we would win again with the same team. You shouldn't throw this "higher math" at us. I have a hard enough time figuring out basic addition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the People's Champ Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 12:17 PM) Huh? 2005 minus Jim Thome plus Vazquez equals championship? What are you talking about? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> did you even bother reading the previous posts?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the People's Champ Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(vandy125 @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 12:23 PM) Fixed: 2005 - (Jim Thome + Javy Vasquez) = Championship in 2005 A bit redundant, but I doubt we would win again with the same team. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You are right, we probably wouldn't win it again with the same team, and I wasn't trying to say that we would. Rowand44 is trying to say that without more revenue we wouldn't have a good enough team, and I was just trying to point out that there was a championship team assembled in 2005 without having the stadium sold out every night. thanks for the math lesson also. how soon we forget :banghead Edited December 17, 2005 by the People's Champ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-MAN Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 07:19 PM) More proof of increasing Sox popularity...yesterday I tried to order seasons tix, waited on hold for 20 minutes before I finally gave up! Two things I have noticed around town: 1. Ronnie Woo-Woo was at an NU football game in his Cubs uniform- he was booed unmercifully. 2. Look around town - two years ago everyone was wearing Cubbie Blue with that insipid C logo. Look around today - people are wearing the SOX logo and Sox stuff is flying off the shelves. It's not a Sox town yet but getting closer!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSouthSider59 Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 09:11 PM) If the Sox keep winning I wouldn't be so sure about that. It's been a sox town before and it could certainly be one again. You mean Chicago has not always been a Sox town? I've always thought it was, still is, and always will be, but even better now! :fthecubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 You guys hear during the Bears game tonight? When Mora got a penalty for swinging his arms near the referees, the fans started singing "Kiss Him Goodbye." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 QUOTE(knightni @ Dec 18, 2005 -> 11:34 PM) You guys hear during the Bears game tonight? When Mora got a penalty for swinging his arms near the referees, the fans started singing "Kiss Him Goodbye." That put a huge smile on my face Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3RDBASE Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 Oh yeah saw a few Sox jackets in the crowd as well...wearing Bears hats of course!!! DA BEARZ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 QUOTE(3RDBASE @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 03:06 AM) Oh yeah saw a few Sox jackets in the crowd as well...wearing Bears hats of course!!! DA BEARZ! That one guy in the Sox jacket looked a little like SNB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 Between the several Sox jackets I saw during the game, and the whole crowd singing the LOUD rendition of "kiss him goodbye"....my opinion on this subject definitely changed a bit. At least for now, this is a Sox town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timotime Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 I like Chicago better as a Cub town. Less Sox fans means better chance I can get a seat whenever I want to. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> then you must be praying that we will suck every year. i have some friends who are tigers fans who live in detroit and get seats almost anywhere whenever they want (for cheap), but the tigers blow. take your pick man: either we suck and you get all the tickets you want, or we are good and you cant always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baines3 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Chicago is indeed a White Sox town now. The Cubs last won a World Series in 1908 I believe, and at the rate their going it isn't going to change anytime soon. The Cubs may draw a little more only because of the old ball park. The Sox have the upper hand because: WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattZakrowski Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 It's a Bears town.This 2005 title, the 6 Bulls titles, and the Cubs um... yea..., were not as big as the 85 Bears. But in terms of establishing fans, the 1 title is needed, but now, 4 playoff apperances and 0 titles would be better than 1 title and no other playoff appereances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baines3 Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 QUOTE(MattZakrowski @ Dec 20, 2005 -> 10:20 PM) It's a Bears town.This 2005 title, the 6 Bulls titles, and the Cubs um... yea..., were not as big as the 85 Bears. But in terms of establishing fans, the 1 title is needed, but now, 4 playoff apperances and 0 titles would be better than 1 title and no other playoff appereances. When it comes to baseball, the Sox have taken over. While the Cubs are still trying to figure out how to win a pennant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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