ptatc Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 09:27 PM) Trade for Alvarez. O/w I think that's right. We got Alvarez along with Sosa and Scott Fletcher from Texas for HAROLD and Freddie Manrique Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 idonno we traded for Garland right when he was elgible to be traded so Id consider him a sox prospect. SP:Mark Buehrle SP:Jon Garland SP:Kip Wells SP:Brandon McCarthy SP:Josh Fogg C:Josh Paul?/Mark Johnson 1B:Carlos Lee 2B:Ray Durham SS:Michael Morse 3B:Joe Crede LF:Aaron Rowand CF:Mike Cameron RF:Magglio Ordonez DH:Frank Thomas bullpen:Scott Eyre, Anthony Webster, Fabio Castro, Wickman, Howry(I know Giants drafted him but how early did we trade for him?), Frankie Francisco, Roger Ring?, Matt Ginter? Not so sure about the bullpen guys but heck that team isnt so bad. I put Carlos Lee at 1B because assuming we never brought in f/a's or anything thats where he would play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Dec 20, 2005 -> 02:40 AM) idonno we traded for Garland right when he was elgible to be traded so Id consider him a sox prospect. SP:Mark Buehrle SP:Jon Garland SP:Kip Wells SP:Brandon McCarthy SP:Josh Fogg C:Josh Paul?/Mark Johnson 1B:Carlos Lee 2B:Ray Durham SS:Michael Morse 3B:Joe Crede LF:Aaron Rowand CF:Mike Cameron RF:Magglio Ordonez DH:Frank Thomas bullpen:Scott Eyre, Anthony Webster, Fabio Castro, Wickman, Howry(I know Giants drafted him but how early did we trade for him?), Frankie Francisco, Roger Ring?, Matt Ginter? Not so sure about the bullpen guys but heck that team isnt so bad. I put Carlos Lee at 1B because assuming we never brought in f/a's or anything thats where he would play. 1. Webster is a CF 2. It's Royce Ring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 ooohhh eee ooooohhhh and el caballo to name two obvious ones who are now gone. i think we've done rather well. crede was a very important part of our championship team, aaron rowand must be considered panning out. far better than most teams. buehrle, jenks, cotts, thats just on this club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 QUOTE(ptatc @ Dec 20, 2005 -> 10:43 AM) 1. Webster is a CF 2. It's Royce Ring royce ring was delt for robbie alomar right? yikes, there's a not so good kenny move. id consider it better if it was the first time alomar came to the sox, but i dont remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Dec 20, 2005 -> 12:09 PM) royce ring was delt for robbie alomar right? yikes, there's a not so good kenny move. id consider it better if it was the first time alomar came to the sox, but i dont remember. Yes, but Ring hasn't really panned out, so it's somewhat of a wash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Dec 20, 2005 -> 10:09 AM) royce ring was delt for robbie alomar right? yikes, there's a not so good kenny move. id consider it better if it was the first time alomar came to the sox, but i dont remember. Yes, he was dealt. Ring had been nothing, but has shown some signs of improvement now that he's dropped his arm angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBatterz Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(ZeroHour @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 10:14 PM) I want to know some Sox draft picks that have made a consistent above-average major league impact on the team for a considerable duration of time. Off the top of my head: Ozzie Guillen I understood that we acquired Ozzie from the Padres in the LaMarr Hoyt trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(JoeBatterz @ Dec 29, 2005 -> 06:41 PM) I understood that we acquired Ozzie from the Padres in the LaMarr Hoyt trade. Yeah so that one doesn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 I come up with 38 guys that the Sox drafted or signed as an amatuer free agent who played in the bigs in 2005. Three made the All Star team. There are probably a few more FA's I missed, and also not everyone they drafted signed, but on the whole they've developed some pretty good players. Player date TranRef draftRound debut AllStar Tom Gorzelanny 6/2/2000 Draft Am 38 2005-09-20 Josh Rupe 6/2/2002 Draft Am 3 2005-09-16 Brian N. Anderson 6/2/2003 Draft Am 1 2005-08-16 Mike Morse 6/2/2000 Draft Am 3 2005-05-31 Brandon McCarthy 6/2/2002 Draft Am 17 2005-05-22 Royce Ring 6/2/2002 Draft Am 1 2005-04-29 Jeremy Reed 6/4/2002 Draft Am 2 2004-09-08 Jeff Bajenaru 6/2/1999 Draft Am 36 2004-09-04 Gary Majewski 6/2/1998 Draft Am 2 2004-08-26 Matt Guerrier 6/2/1999 Draft Am 10 2004-06-17 Humberto Quintero 1/16/1997 Free Agt Am 0 2003-09-03 Joe Valentine 6/2/1999 Draft Am 26 2003-08-24 David Sanders 6/2/1999 Draft Am 6 2003-04-23 Joe Borchard 6/5/2000 Draft Am 1 2002-09-02 Brendan Donnelly 6/1/1992 Draft Am 27 2002-04-09 Jon Rauch 6/2/1999 Draft Am 3 2002-04-02 Josh Fogg 6/2/1998 Draft Am 3 2001-09-02 Bobby Seay 6/4/1996 Draft Am 1 2001-08-14 Aaron Rowand 6/2/1998 Draft Am 1 2001-06-16 Joe Crede 6/4/1996 Draft Am 5 2000-09-12 Matt Ginter 6/2/1999 Draft Am 1 2000-09-01 Mark Buehrle 6/2/1998 Draft Am 38 2000-07-16 2005 Josh Paul 6/4/1996 Draft Am 2 1999-09-07 Frank Menechino 6/3/1993 Draft Am 45 1999-09-06 Kip Wells 6/2/1998 Draft Am 1 1999-08-02 Carlos Lee 2/8/1994 Free Agt Am 0 1999-05-07 2005 Jeff Liefer 6/1/1995 Draft Am 1 1999-04-07 Chad Bradford 6/4/1996 Draft Am 13 1998-08-01 Magglio Ordonez 5/18/1991 Free Agt Am 0 1997-08-29 Alan Levine 6/3/1991 Draft Am 11 1996-06-22 Mike Cameron 6/3/1991 Draft Am 18 1995-08-27 Joe Borowski 6/5/1989 Draft Am 32 1995-07-09 James Baldwin 6/4/1990 Draft Am 4 1995-04-30 Ray Durham 6/4/1990 Draft Am 5 1995-04-26 Olmedo Saenz 5/11/1990 Free Agt Am 0 1994-05-28 Bob Wickman 6/4/1990 Draft Am 2 1992-08-24 2005 Buddy Groom 6/2/1987 Draft Am 12 1992-06-20 Frank Thomas 6/5/1989 Draft Am 1 1990-08-02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(ZeroHour @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 11:14 PM) I want to know some Sox draft picks that have made a consistent above-average major league impact on the team for a considerable duration of time. Off the top of my head: Mark Buerhle Frank Thomas Ray Durham Ozzie Guillen Now for some others who havent seemed to put it together: Scott Ruffcorn Scott Eyre Joe Borchard Aaron Myette Josh Fogg Its unfair, but Im going to call it a night and let you all discuss. I may be wrong on whether we actually "drafted" some I named...but you see what Im getting at. I am not discussing the merits of our drafting or the ethics of our dealings. This is just an experiment, name some Sox prospects that panned out. I think the Question sould be Which of the last SOX first round picks that lived up to it's hype. I'll say Alex Fernandez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Didn't mention Brian Boeringer who i think pitched for the pirates this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Great job TLAK! Looks like our 2000 and 2001 drafts have yet to bear much fruit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilCan Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Joe Crede, sort of??? OK, maybe he's not batting around .280-.300 with 40 HRs, but he plays a solid defense, has a good-to-great arm and has come up in timely situations with the bat. What more do you need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Which is why I don't get all that excited about the draft or anyone in AA or below. I start paying attention to AAA. Also, trade anyone in the system for a MLB ready player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 QUOTE(JoshPR @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 05:51 PM) Didn't mention Brian Boeringer who i think pitched for the pirates this year You had me going, he was a 4th round Da by the Sox in 1991 but it turns out he didn't appear in '05. He was released by the Pirates Nov 2004. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Cool, OK. Maybe i'm thinking about Brian Meadows. Ohh and who in the Heck is Tom Gorzelanny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 QUOTE(JoshPR @ Jan 1, 2006 -> 08:29 PM) Cool, OK. Maybe i'm thinking about Brian Meadows. Ohh and who in the Heck is Tom Gorzelanny? He's a lefty pitcher who never actually signed with the Sox but his name stuck with me because he is a local boy out of Marist and Triton JC. Biography: Thomas Stephen Gorzelanny (pronounced "gore-zah-LAWN-ee")...Single...Is a 2000 graduate of Marist (IL) High School, the same school which produced Minnesota Twins' Hall-of-Fame outfielder Kirby Puckett...Was drafted out of high school by the Chicago White Sox in the 38th round of the 2000 June draft, but opted to play collegiately at both the University of Kansas (2001-02) and Triton Junior College (2003) in River Grove, IL...After redshirting during the 2001 baseball season, went 3-7 with three saves and a 5.90 ERA in 21 appearances for the Jayhawks in 2002...Transferred to Triton J.C. for the 2003 season and was named a North Central Community College All-Conference selection...Was also a Region Four selection as a senior...Signed by Pirate scout Mark Germann. 2005 Career Highlights: Spent entire regular season with Altoona (AA), but spent month of April in Extended Spring Training with left elbow discomfort... Led staff in strikeouts...Ranked ninth among Eastern League pitchers in ERA...Surrendered just six home runs in 129.2ip - all homers hit by right-handed batters...Allowed just two hits and tossed 6.0 scoreless innings for the win in his Double-A debut on 5/2 @Reading...Went 2-0 with a 1.50 ERA (24.0ip/4er) in his first four starts before losing for the first time on 5/26 vs. Norwich (4.0ip/3er)...Allowed just one home run in his first nine starts (49.1ip) thru 6/16. ...Tossed three-hit shutout on 6/26 vs. New Britain...Was the starting pitcher for the Southern Division in the Eastern League All-Star Game in Portland on 7/13 (ND - 2.0ip/4h/3r/1er/1bb/1so -- 11 batters faced)...Went 0-3 with a 4.50 ERA in five starts during the month of July...Snapped three-game losing streak by striking out season-high 10 batters in 5-2 victory @Erie on 8/2...Won each of his last four regular season decisions...Posted a 3-0 record and a 2.97 ERA in six starts during the month of August...Pitched just 3.0 innings on 8/28 vs. Akron; lef game with pain in his right knee...Also left his start on 9/3 vs. Bowie (5.0ip/2h/0r) due to an ankle injury...Went 1-for-18 (.056) with two walks at the plate, picking up his lone hit (single) on 6/16 @Norwich...Tossed a four-hit shutout and whiffed 13 batters (0 walks) in Game Three of Double-A playoff series against Akron on 9/9...Was promoted to Indianapolis (AAA) on 9/12 and started Game Two of International League Championship Series @Toledo on 9/14 (L, 5.0ip/9h/6r/6er/2bb/6so). ...Had contract purchased by Pittsburgh on 9/16...Made major league debut as a starter and lost a 7-4 decision to Houston's Andy Pettitte @PNC Park on 9/20 (4.1ip/7h/5r/5er/2bb/2so)...Also surrendered three runs in 1.0+ inning of relief @Los Angeles on 9/26 and retired two of the three batters he faced on 9/30 vs. Milwaukee...Went 0-for-1 as a batter, striking out in his lone appearance vs. Pettitte on 9/20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Ohhh. Thanks for the Info. So he never made Pro Ball? After not sigining with the SOx? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 QUOTE(JoshPR @ Jan 2, 2006 -> 12:30 PM) Ohhh. Thanks for the Info. So he never made Pro Ball? After not sigining with the SOx? We are still talking Tom Gorzelanny right? The Pirates signed him as an undrafted free agent (after Triton Junior college) and he made the bigs last September. I don't know if he will stick this spring, but he's a good one to keep an eye on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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