valponick Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Why does everyone on this board drool at the idea of Miguel Tejada?? For what we would have to give up, we would be the ones getting fleeced. Sure he is a "big name" but the way people on this board think he is one of the best players in the league makes me sick. He is not only a downgrade defensively but he is nowhere near the same level as the top tier hitters in the game the way people on here think he is. If you think I'm crazy, think about this.... We are talking about a guy who has NEVER had an OPS of over .900, and only once has he had one over .865. This same guy has only posted an OBP of over .350 TWO TIMES in his career (of which he is supposedly in his prime). Has never posted a fielding percentage above .975 and his range factor makes that a generous .975. Compare this with some of the top tier players in the game today...ARod, Guerrero, Ramirez, Ortiz just to name a few. If you were to try to argue with me that Tejada is one of the best Fantasy baseball players in the league I would agree, but this isn't Fantasy baseball. Not that this is ever going to happen, but I don't know why everyone was so excited about it in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxPride56 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 WOW :rolly :headshake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Not quite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valponick Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 05:20 PM) Not quite. Explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:18 AM) Why does everyone on this board drool at the idea of Miguel Tejada?? For what we would have to give up, we would be the ones getting fleeced. Sure he is a "big name" but the way people on this board think he is one of the best players in the league makes me sick. He is not only a downgrade defensively but he is nowhere near the same level as the top tier hitters in the game the way people on here think he is. If you think I'm crazy, think about this.... We are talking about a guy who has NEVER had an OPS of over .900, and only once has he had one over .865. This same guy has only posted an OBP of over .350 TWO TIMES in his career (of which he is supposedly in his prime). Has never posted a fielding percentage above .975 and his range factor makes that a generous .975. Compare this with some of the top tier players in the game today...ARod, Guerrero, Ramirez, Ortiz just to name a few. If you were to try to argue with me that Tejada is one of the best Fantasy baseball players in the league I would agree, but this isn't Fantasy baseball. Not that this is ever going to happen, but I don't know why everyone was so excited about it in the first place. yeah he is only the best shortstop in the game. You can't be serious can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:18 AM) Why does everyone on this board drool at the idea of Miguel Tejada?? For what we would have to give up, we would be the ones getting fleeced. Sure he is a "big name" but the way people on this board think he is one of the best players in the league makes me sick. He is not only a downgrade defensively but he is nowhere near the same level as the top tier hitters in the game the way people on here think he is. If you think I'm crazy, think about this.... We are talking about a guy who has NEVER had an OPS of over .900, and only once has he had one over .865. This same guy has only posted an OBP of over .350 TWO TIMES in his career (of which he is supposedly in his prime). Has never posted a fielding percentage above .975 and his range factor makes that a generous .975. Compare this with some of the top tier players in the game today...ARod, Guerrero, Ramirez, Ortiz just to name a few. If you were to try to argue with me that Tejada is one of the best Fantasy baseball players in the league I would agree, but this isn't Fantasy baseball. Not that this is ever going to happen, but I don't know why everyone was so excited about it in the first place. A-rod makes $27M/year Guerrero only makes like $13-14m/yr but he's an outfielder Ramirez makes $20M and plays the outfield Ortiz doesn't make much, yet, but can't even play the field Tejada is the top offensive shortstop in baseball and gets paid a modest $12M/yr. You can't compare an offensively productive shortstop with a LF who makes nearly twice as much money. It's all about return on your money, and Tejada easily is worth every penny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:21 AM) Explain. How many teams can claim they get 107 rbi per year from their shortstop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxPride56 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:21 AM) Explain. BEST SS IN BASEBALL... but your right he sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valponick Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 05:22 PM) yeah he is only the best shortstop in the game. You can't be serious can you? I'm dead serious. I wasn't comparing positions. All I keep reading on this board is how he is "one of the best hitters in baseball", "perennial MVP candidate", blah blah, and that is just completely ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valponick Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 05:22 PM) How many teams can claim they get 107 rbi per year from their shortstop? Don't get hung up on the SS argument, I was simply saying he wasn't a top tier hitter like everyone here thinks he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxPride56 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:24 AM) I'm dead serious. I wasn't comparing positions. All I keep reading on this board is how he is "one of the best hitters in baseball", "perennial MVP candidate", blah blah, and that is just completely ridiculous. are we talking about the same person here? Miguel Tejada is one of the best players in baseball, if you dont agree with that you are wrong, there is no other way to put it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:21 AM) Explain. how about he has avg'ed about 130 RBI's over the past 4-6 years. 1 AL MVP 2 silver sluggers 3 time all star, His 162 game avg over his career is 28 hr, and 110 RBI. And now I will borrow some information from Scouts Inc. Miguel Tejada was inked to a six-year free-agent deal last winter to anchor the middle of the Orioles' lineup, and he didn't disappoint. His 2004 season was a model of consistency from start to finish. He tied his career high in home runs and set a personal best in RBI, leading the major leagues with 150 ribbies. With Alex Rodriguez moving to third base and Nomar Garciaparra in the National League, Tejada now is the Junior Circuit's most productive shortstop. Hitting Tejada generates his home-run power to left and left-center field. His doubles power ranges from foul line to foul line. Tejada's swing is more compact that it used to be, yet he struggles with soft-tossers. Finesse pitchers are able to keep him off stride and reduce his power. His slight uppercut swing allows groundball pitchers to keep the ball in the park and have success against him. Tejada remains one of the better hitters in the American League with runners in scoring position. He's more productive batting fourth than in the No. 3 spot. Baserunning & Defense While Tejada generated 24 errors in 2004, he still is considered one of the American League's top shortstops. His range is among the best in the league, especially going into the hole. Tejada has a plus arm and can make all the required throws. He's adept at turning the double play, recording a league-leading 118 at short last season. While he rarely steals a base, he can go from first to third on singles to right field. His speed allows him to score from second on most hits to the outfield. 2005 Outlook Tejada continues to be one of the marquee hitters in the American League. If the Orioles can add more depth to the lineup, his run production should remain close to his 2004 level. At age 28, he's entering the peak years of his career and could improve upon his 2004 season. Tejada is a perennial MVP candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valponick Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(SoxPride56 @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 05:25 PM) are we talking about the same person here? Miguel Tejada is one of the best players in baseball, if you dont agree with that you are wrong, there is no other way to put it. No actually I'm not, he isn't even one of the top 10 players in baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valponick Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 05:26 PM) how about he has avg'ed about 130 RBI's over the past 4-6 years. 1 AL MVP 2 silver sluggers 3 time all star, His 162 game avg over his career is 28 hr, and 110 RBI. And now I will borrow some information from Scouts Inc. Miguel Tejada was inked to a six-year free-agent deal last winter to anchor the middle of the Orioles' lineup, and he didn't disappoint. His 2004 season was a model of consistency from start to finish. He tied his career high in home runs and set a personal best in RBI, leading the major leagues with 150 ribbies. With Alex Rodriguez moving to third base and Nomar Garciaparra in the National League, Tejada now is the Junior Circuit's most productive shortstop. Hitting Tejada generates his home-run power to left and left-center field. His doubles power ranges from foul line to foul line. Tejada's swing is more compact that it used to be, yet he struggles with soft-tossers. Finesse pitchers are able to keep him off stride and reduce his power. His slight uppercut swing allows groundball pitchers to keep the ball in the park and have success against him. Tejada remains one of the better hitters in the American League with runners in scoring position. He's more productive batting fourth than in the No. 3 spot. Baserunning & Defense While Tejada generated 24 errors in 2004, he still is considered one of the American League's top shortstops. His range is among the best in the league, especially going into the hole. Tejada has a plus arm and can make all the required throws. He's adept at turning the double play, recording a league-leading 118 at short last season. While he rarely steals a base, he can go from first to third on singles to right field. His speed allows him to score from second on most hits to the outfield. 2005 Outlook Tejada continues to be one of the marquee hitters in the American League. If the Orioles can add more depth to the lineup, his run production should remain close to his 2004 level. At age 28, he's entering the peak years of his career and could improve upon his 2004 season. Tejada is a perennial MVP candidate. Doesn't anyone on this board know how to do anything but copy and paste?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:25 AM) Don't get hung up on the SS argument, I was simply saying he wasn't a top tier hitter like everyone here thinks he is. Don't get hung up? Do you realize how valuable that kind of production from the SS position is? Cheese us key riste! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxPride56 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:26 AM) No actually I'm not, he isn't even one of the top 10 players in baseball. See thats the problem, maybe if you knew what you were talking about, you wouldnt be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valponick Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 05:27 PM) Don't get hung up? Do you realize how valuable that kind of production from the SS position is? Cheese us key riste! It's not so valuable that we need to give up a considerably better defensive SS, a starting pitcher and another top prospect (which was the deal being discussed here which everyone was saying they'd do in a heartbeat)....why give that up for production we don't need and to weaken our defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 How the hell can a guy who recently won an MVP award not be an MVP candidate? Un f***ing believable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valponick Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(SoxPride56 @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 05:28 PM) See thats the problem, maybe if you knew what you were talking about, you wouldnt be wrong Actually I know exactly what I'm talking about, try saying something besides "you're wrong" to state your case, it would make you sound like less of a moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:29 AM) It's not so valuable that we need to give up a considerably better defensive SS, a starting pitcher and another top prospect (which was the deal being discussed here which everyone was saying they'd do in a heartbeat)....why give that up for production we don't need and to weaken our defense? No, Uribe is not "considerably batter". Tejada's a very good defensive SS in his right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 How many SS put up OPS over .900? Now that ARod is at 3B the answer is none. Only a few SS had OPS over .800 last year, Michael Young, Jhonny Peralta, Miguel Tejada, Felipe Lopez, Derek Jeter and Bill Hall. Last year Miguel Tejada lead all SS in HR, RBI and 2B. He's the best SS in baseball, there's little debate about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:27 AM) Doesn't anyone on this board know how to do anything but copy and paste?? Yes, the whole first part was my typing. Tejada is an elite player You son, have taken a sip of the wacky juice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:26 AM) No actually I'm not, he isn't even one of the top 10 players in baseball. Yikes.. My 5 year old neice could argue this with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valponick Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 05:29 PM) How the hell can a guy who recently won an MVP award not be an MVP candidate? Un f***ing believable! Everyone is an MVP candidate, so I guess you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxPride56 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:30 AM) Actually I know exactly what I'm talking about, try saying something besides "you're wrong" to state your case, it would make you sound like less of a moron. Im the moron...OK man, your the one who says that Tejada is overrated. Everyone here thinks your the moron. Tejada is the best SS in baseball, and one of the top players in baseball, his stats back it up what more do I need to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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