valponick Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 05:30 PM) How many SS put up OPS over .900? Now that ARod is at 3B the answer is none. Only a few SS had OPS over .800 last year, Michael Young, Jhonny Peralta, Miguel Tejada, Felipe Lopez, Derek Jeter and Bill Hall. Last year Miguel Tejada lead all SS in HR, RBI and 2B. He's the best SS in baseball, there's little debate about that. OK again, this isn't anywhere near I was saying and is the general flaw with baseball knowledge (if you can call it that) on this board in general. I wasn't saying how he compared at his position. He is not one of the best offensive players in baseball, which is what people on here think, he might be one of the best SS's in baseball, but he doesn't produce like the top hitters in baseball do, thats all I was thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:31 AM) Everyone is an MVP candidate, so I guess you're right. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. This is the most ridiculous discussion in Soxtalk history. I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 :banghead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxPride56 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Your wrong, I am also done...MORON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Someone should close this thread. We are all probably losing brain cells from reading it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:29 AM) It's not so valuable that we need to give up a considerably better defensive SS, a starting pitcher and another top prospect (which was the deal being discussed here which everyone was saying they'd do in a heartbeat)....why give that up for production we don't need and to weaken our defense? Tejada is a VERY good defensive player, and would immediately probably best our best or 2nd best run producer. He has been one of the most consistent hitters in all of baseball. His 2 silver slugger awards over the past 2 years prove his hitting prowess. Being that he has never finished out of the top 20 in MVP voting shows that he is a perennial candidate for the award. He is an all star player, an MVP, and a downright superstar. He would immediatley be the BEST player on our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valponick Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(SoxPride56 @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 05:32 PM) Im the moron...OK man, your the one who says that Tejada is overrated. Everyone here thinks your the moron. Tejada is the best SS in baseball, and one of the top players in baseball, his stats back it up what more do I need to say? And I should care what the people on an internet message board thinks?? I never said he wasn't the best SS in baseball, I just said he wasn't one of the best hitters in baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 No, you're wrong. You just are, that's why. At least provide an argument, people... Having watched him play quite a bit, I think his defense is very good. He has good range and a strong arm, although his hands aren't the very best -- he's a somewhat better (and respected) version of Jose Valentin. His bat is very good, but he can be very inconsistent. Look at his dropoff from 1st half to 2nd half of last season. I'd still love to have him, but I can understand how that would cause some concern. Still, good power and a good eye from a position without much offense, usually. Reasonable contract, still fairly young -- very much worth acquiring. If he were going anywhere, which he's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:33 AM) OK again, this isn't anywhere near I was saying and is the general flaw with baseball knowledge (if you can call it that) on this board in general. I wasn't saying how he compared at his position. He is not one of the best offensive players in baseball, which is what people on here think, he might be one of the best SS's in baseball, but he doesn't produce like the top hitters in baseball do, thats all I was thinking. Maybe if you looked at something other than OBP you'd see just how good he is. Getting on base is not the end all be all, he produces so many damn runs and from a position that you normally don't see that sort of production from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:33 AM) OK again, this isn't anywhere near I was saying and is the general flaw with baseball knowledge (if you can call it that) on this board in general. I wasn't saying how he compared at his position. He is not one of the best offensive players in baseball, which is what people on here think, he might be one of the best SS's in baseball, but he doesn't produce like the top hitters in baseball do, thats all I was thinking. Who are these top hitter, and what are their numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:34 AM) Someone should close this thread. We are all probably losing brain cells from reading it. Helluvan idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valponick Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 05:33 PM) You don't know what the hell you're talking about. This is the most ridiculous discussion in Soxtalk history. I'm done. You were done a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I love how childish a lot of you are acting, calling people morons is not going to get you anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:35 AM) You were done a long time ago. become a Cub fan. you sound like one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:34 AM) And I should care what the people on an internet message board thinks?? I never said he wasn't the best SS in baseball, I just said he wasn't one of the best hitters in baseball. Based on what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valponick Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 05:36 PM) I love how childish a lot of you are acting, calling people morons is not going to get you anywhere. I'm not trying to get anywhere. He's just as good of a hitter as everyone thinks, that's all I was saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I appreciate intelligent baseball discussions. But this is pure unadulterated horses***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valponick Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 05:37 PM) become a Cub fan. you sound like one. Please. I've been a Sox fan for 25 years, the fact that you bring up the Cubs is just asanine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valponick Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 05:40 PM) I appreciate intelligent baseball discussions. But this is pure unadulterated horses***. Sorry, next time I post something I will check with you to make sure you agree with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:40 AM) Please. I've been a Sox fan for 25 years, the fact that you bring up the Cubs is just asanine. You may be a Sox fan, but it's to the shame of the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valponick Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 05:38 PM) Based on what? If you want I'll lay it out for you as best I can, but I won't post it here, I'll PM you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 For what we would have to give up, we would be the ones getting fleeced. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Wait.. giving up a pitcher who is gone after next year and a SS. WE will get "fleeced".. Explain.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:40 AM) Sorry, next time I post something I will check with you to make sure you agree with it. Oh cut the dramatics, sister. Your initial post and follow ups have been nothing but pot stirring. You got what you were looking for.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:40 AM) Sorry, next time I post something I will check with you to make sure you agree with it. just try something ... anything ... that shows even a sliver of intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 PLease tell me I wasn't this bad.. was I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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