SSH2005 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 Take this rumor with a grain of salt since it's from MLBTradeRumors.com: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2005/12/astros_update_g.html Good stuff today from my main Astros guy. First off, the Astros are talking to the White Sox about what it would take to acquire Jon Garland. It's well known that Garland is on the market, and the Astros do have some interesting young arms that are sure to come up in the discussion. Southpaw Troy Patton had a nice run in high Class A this year, and righty Jason Hirsh righted the ship at Double A Corpus Christi. Both pitchers are very highly regarded by Baseball America. Assuming a well-rested Roger Clemens rejoins the Astros in June, the team could once again rest its playoff hopes on starting pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 that site is crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 17, 2005 Author Share Posted December 17, 2005 that site is crap <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks, maybe that's why I wrote a disclaimer to start the thread out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierzynski 12 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 that site is crap <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Right............ :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That funky motion Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 09:25 PM) Thanks, maybe that's why I wrote a disclaimer to start the thread out. I can't see the Astros trading away two of their better pitching prospects. I'm sure they are intrested in Jon though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 I'd do Berkman for Garland but Houston wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 No thank you to Houston. They got garbage. There minor league talent is junk. And the Astros are trash. I would consider Garland for Lidge and a prospect. Add to our set-up man depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 10:00 PM) No thank you to Houston. They got garbage. There minor league talent is junk. And the Astros are trash. I would consider Garland for Lidge and a prospect. Add to our set-up man depth. well Lidge is certainly appealing. I don't have a problem with trading Garland for prospects but they should eitehr be more advanced than A ball or they should be elite if they are that low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 Hirsh and Patton are good pitchers. Hirsh seems more like a bullpen guy eventually, but Patton is similar to Mark Buerhle. I think other teams could give us more, but its not bad. However, I want a major leaguer or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank the Tank 35 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 10:07 PM) well Lidge is certainly appealing. I don't have a problem with trading Garland for prospects but they should eitehr be more advanced than A ball or they should be elite if they are that low. I agree with that sentiment. KW is not trading for players a couple years away unless they're the most elite prospects. We're in "win now, again" mode. Any pitching prospect that's getting traded for should be able to step in and do a halfway decent job if one of our starters goes down. EDIT: IE, I would DEMAND the pimplefaced guy!... plus Qualls or Wheeler. Edited December 17, 2005 by Frank the Tank 35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timotime Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 garland for oswalt or no deal...yeah thats right, go hard or go home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 QUOTE(Frank the Tank 35 @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 10:12 PM) I agree with that sentiment. KW is not trading for players a couple years away unless they're the most elite prospects. We're in "win now, again" mode. Any pitching prospect that's getting traded for should be able to step in and do a halfway decent job if one of our starters goes down. EDIT: IE, I would DEMAND the pimplefaced guy!... plus Qualls or Wheeler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 QUOTE(timotime @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 10:16 PM) garland for oswalt or no deal That would be a quick convo between Kenny and Purpura. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 Willy T and a Bullpen arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank the Tank 35 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 Tavaras wasn't that great outside of his home park. Ever see that Family Guy where the guy from CNN's Crossfire is giving Peter advice, but whenever Peter sees him, he turns away in horror... I think I just did that to Ezekiel there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierzynski 12 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 Man,all of you guys worry about are the damn stats...........geez :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 Tavaras wasn't that great outside of his home park. Ever see that Family Guy where the guy from CNN's Crossfire is giving Peter advice, but whenever Peter sees him, he turns away in horror... I think I just did that to Ezekiel there. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He was also a rookie.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 Taveras wasn't good on the road? Did you guys miss the World Series where Taveras was their most successful and consistent hitter? Uum, he rocked at the Cell in those 2 games. I know, I know, it's too small of a example to judge but he was the Astro's best offensive player in the World Series. I'd take him on the Sox (along with a prospect or 2) for Garland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank the Tank 35 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 .252 hitter on the road as opposed to .330 at home. I don't know why this guy is getting hyped up by you guys... at best he's no better than Juan Pierre. Same bad caught stealing %, no power. Would many of you have traded Jon Garland for Juan Pierre? I don't think so. We can get more for Garland than an OFer that really isn't necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(qwerty @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 10:23 PM) Ezequiel Astacio. Do you think he ever considered getting those things on his cheeks removed? Edited December 17, 2005 by sayitaintso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank the Tank 35 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 QUOTE(sayitaintso @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:38 PM) Ezequiel Astacio. Do you think he ever considered getting those things on his cheeks removed? Proactive could make a fortune! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowand's rowdies Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 i dont know why the sox would want to trade for pitching prospects. we dont give them a chance really ever. jenks doesnt count bc he was always major league ready, he just had mental problems. cotts was put in the bullpen immediatly. instead of giving one of our minor league amrs a chance, everyone (including KW i think) wants to plug in a major league reliever via FA or trade. if we trade garland for any minor league prospects i will be pissed. we use our prospects to trade for mlb players, which is fine and it has worked out for us so far. im not bashing the sox's way of going about things, im just making the point. i agree with it to a degree, although i would like to see a prospect get a chance to take the 4th and 5th OF spot and last bullpen spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 i wouldnt want to deal with the stros unless it involves willy taveras lidge and berkman, other than that im all for a texas or baltimore trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank the Tank 35 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 We actually need at least 2 bullpen arms with Marte and Vizcaino gone and the possibility of Hermanson missing some time. I think we can cover Hermanson with an in-house minor leaguer, but we should really try to bring in two more guys if possible. I like the idea of Crede to Pitt for some of their relief as they have loads of young pitching. The only reason I'd like to see the Sox get a top minor league SP is for insurance. Our starters pitched extra long last year into the playoffs and 3 of our starters are pitching in the international games. It would probably be a good idea to have someone, like BMac last year, that could fill in. I'm not hoping for anyone as major league ready as McCarthy obviously was, but someone who can reasonably put up a mid-4 ERA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 QUOTE(Frank the Tank 35 @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:58 PM) We actually need at least 2 bullpen arms with Marte and Vizcaino gone and the possibility of Hermanson missing some time. I think we can cover Hermanson with an in-house minor leaguer, but we should really try to bring in two more guys if possible. I like the idea of Crede to Pitt for some of their relief as they have loads of young pitching. The only reason I'd like to see the Sox get a top minor league SP is for insurance. Our starters pitched extra long last year into the playoffs and 3 of our starters are pitching in the international games. It would probably be a good idea to have someone, like BMac last year, that could fill in. I'm not hoping for anyone as major league ready as McCarthy obviously was, but someone who can reasonably put up a mid-4 ERA. Then if we traded crede for RP's, we wouldn't have a 3B. Josh Fields isn't ready yet either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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