bmags Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 QUOTE (lostfan @ May 13, 2008 -> 03:12 PM) Either they are flat-out lying, or they just plain don't understand how America should conduct its foreign policy and they aren't taking it seriously. I think it's a little of both actually. I think what happened was they didn't actually see the interview, had a second hand source tell them, and got on the GOP email service to spray out that Obama considers Israel a sore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 QUOTE (bmags @ May 13, 2008 -> 09:18 AM) I think what happened was they didn't actually see the interview, had a second hand source tell them, and got on the GOP email service to spray out that Obama considers Israel a sore. That's kind of how the whole Jeremiah Wright thing gets perpetuated too. When talking to people it's painfully obvious who actually knows more than the couple of video clips and short summaries and drew their own logical conclusions and who is happily fed their opinions by the talking heads on TV and have only seen 2 minutes of him, if even that, and can't even quote anything other than a couple of inflammatory one-liners. That's one of the ways cognitive dissonance works. To be fair the Dems do it too when they talk about the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:49 AM) LINK Here is the response from the guy who conducted the interview. He pretty much rammed a cattle prod up John Boehner's rear end... A press release from House Republican leader John Boehner asserts that Barack Obama told me that Israel is a "constant sore" that infects American foreign policy. "Israel is a critical American ally and a beacon of democracy in the Middle East, not a `constant sore' as Barack Obama claims," Boehner's statement reads. Mr. Boehner, I'm sure, is a terribly busy man, with many burdensome responsibilities, so I have to assume that he simply didn't have time to read the entire Obama interview, or even the entire paragraph, or even a single clause. If he had, of course, he would have seen that Obama was clearly calling the Middle East conflict, and not Israel, a sore. Why, there's no one who would disagree that the Middle East conflict is a "sore," is there? I have no doubt that Mr. Boehner will issue a correction to his press release in which he states the obvious, which is that Obama expressed -- in twelve different ways -- his support for Israel to me. If he doesn't, however, I would, sadly, have to agree with my colleague, the less-forgiving Andrew Sullivan, who called Boehner's statement a "flat-out lie." In fact, I would add to Andrew's post, by calling Boehner's statement mendacious, duplicitous, gross, and comically refutable. So Mr. Boehner, do the right thing, and correct the record. I'll be happy to post the correction right here. Edited May 13, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:57 AM) Here is the response from the guy who conducted the interview. He pretty much rammed a cattle prod up John Boehner's rear end... Here's Glenn Greenwald's take on this topic (one of my favorite bloggers BTW). LINK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 dems picked up a Congressional seat in MS today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 White House Victory Fund A new three-way agreement between the Obama campaign, the Clinton campaign, and the Democratic National Committee to raise money for the general election is being established. The money raised will go to help the eventual nominee. If the nominee accepts general election public financing, funds would be returned to donors. The unusual joint account does not plan to accept money from lobbyists or PACs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 So, here is an example of why it's a big deal that John McCain's wife is refusing to release her tax returns. (For reference, I believe that Mrs. Kerry at least released a portion of them, after deserved pressure from the right, back in 2004). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ May 15, 2008 -> 12:28 AM) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/24635229#24635229 Man he went OFF. I thought he was going to explode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 Here We Go Again by digby There's a big voter disenfranchisement scheme unfolding in Missouri this week. It could be a very big problem --- they want it in place before November: Missouri, the battleground state that has accurately picked the Presidential winner in every election since the 1950s, now faces an unprecedented peril this week: the theft of the voting rights of at least 240,000 of its citizens (nuns included) and the sure loss of the swing state of Missouri to Republicans in the Presidential race in November. And If Obama, the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party loses Missouri, he will likely lose the fall election as well. Unfortunately, the wily "Thor" Hearne, the St. Louis-based voter-fraud propagandist and Republican lawyer who has been the leading GOP operative promoting vote suppression since 2000, has been working closely with the key Republican legislator promoting a new constitutional amendment requiring photo ID. Republicans are rushing to pass the measure before adjournment this Friday and bring it to voters in August, in time to stop enough blacks, the poor, the elderly, students and the disabled from voting Democratic in November. As John Hickey, the executive director of the advocacy group ProVote, told me, ""If you exclude 240,000 people from the electorate, that is plenty to swing the election in Missouri," with state-wide races having razor-thin victory margins as little as 21,000. This is one state where it really could make the difference. Thor Hearne is one of the preeminent vote suppression experts in the Republican party. I've written about him many times. Brad Friedman has been following his every move for years. His involvement means this is a serious move to steal Missouri. We know this hits African Americans and Latinos hard and it's designed to make them think twice about putting themselves through this legal hassle. But there's another group that's going to be hard hit by this ---- the elderly. And in Arizona, where they now require proof of citizenship, even though they've been voting for 60 years, they are now just out of luck: The devastating personal impact of denying people the right to vote because they can't get hard-to-get photo ID and birth certificates is best illustrated by a heart-breaking story I reported earlier in the week . I spoke to 97-year-old Shirley Preiss about her efforts to vote in Arizona after having voted for every Democratic Presidential candidate since FDR in 1932. I quote an ACORN organizer about the use of immigrant-bashing as a lever to block American citizens from voting, then I went on to tell Shirley's story. It bears repeating, because what happened to Shirley could happen to every poor person, disabled person, elderly person and minority who doesn't have the ready access to the funds, time and ability to navigate bureaucratic hurdles to obtain government-issued embossed birth certificates and other ID: "All the discourse here is about immigration," Arizona ACORN organizer Monica Sandschafer observes. "But we're really talking about Arizonans who are Americans and whose legal right to vote is being denied. And while Latino citizens are hit hard, we're finding that all Arizonans are at risk of being disenfranchised by this requirement." Perhaps no one knows that as well as 97-year-old Shirley Freeda Preiss. She was born at home in Clinton, Kentucky in 1910, before women had the right to vote, and never had a birth certificate. Shirley has voted in every presidential election since FDR first ran in 1932, and proudly describes herself as a "died-in-the-wool Democrat." After living in Arizona for two years, she was eagerly looking forward to casting her ballot in the February primary for the first major woman candidate for President, Hillary Clinton. But lacking a birth certificate or even elementary school records to prove she's a native-born American citizen, the state of Arizona's bureaucrats determined that this former school-teacher who taught generations of Americans shouldn't be allowed to vote. "I have a constitutional right to vote, don't I?" she asks with her soft Southern drawl. "I didn't get to vote because of a birth certificate. What am I going to do now?" Her strong-willed 78-year-old son, Nathan "Joey" Nemnich, a World War II veteran, is infuriated. "I'm pissed. She's an American citizen who worked her whole life and I want her to vote," he says. He went down to the local Motor Vehicle Division to get her an Arizona ID and register her to vote, armed with copies of his mother's three drivers' licenses from her previous home in Texas, along with copies of her Social Security and Medicare cards. All that wasn't good enough for the state of Arizona. "The sons of b****es are taking away our Constitution," Nemnich says. In Arizona and now as seems likely in Missouri, Kafkaesque rules blend with right-wing ideology to block American citizens like Shirley Preiss from voting, collateral damage in the Republican-led war on democracy. "I was very disappointed," she says of the state's roadblocks to voting. "It's not acceptable. I've always voted." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 The Tennessee GOP: Forget about telling the voters what we'll do for Americans, lets continue to bash the opponent using negative ads even thought the GOP just lost 3 seats in Congress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 I love Joe Biden. His response to Bush's comments today: This is bullsh** This is malarkey. This is outrageous. Outrageous for the president of the United States to go to a foreign country, sit in the Knesset…and make this kind of ridiculous statement,” Biden said angrily in a brief interview just off the Senate floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 California Supreme Court repeals ban on gay marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 15, 2008 -> 12:55 PM) I love Joe Biden. His response to Bush's comments today: WOW! He went off. Good for him. Bush can make those comments here if he wants. but dont try and knee cap the next guy in front of a foreign country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 FWIW, Bush did not mention Obama by name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 15, 2008 -> 12:14 PM) FWIW, Bush did not mention Obama by name. It was pretty obvious who he was referring to since the other Dem running for president does not share Obama's views on bringing our enemies to the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 15, 2008 -> 11:59 AM) California Supreme Court repeals ban on gay marriage. BTW, I am glad this occurred in case anyone is logging my views in their journal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 15, 2008 -> 01:20 PM) It was pretty obvious who he was referring to since the other Dem running for president does not share Obama's views on bringing our enemies to the table. He was also taking on Jimmy Carter. But, it was clearly an attempt to paint Obama as weak on terror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 15, 2008 -> 10:21 AM) The Tennessee GOP: Forget about telling the voters what we'll do for Americans, lets continue to bash the opponent using negative ads even thought the GOP just lost 3 seats in Congress. The Obama campaign replies: This is a shameful attempt to attack a woman who has repeatedly said she wouldn't be here without the opportunities and blessings of this nation. The Republican Party's pathetic attempts to use the same smear tactics to win elections have failed in Mississippi, failed in Louisiana, and will fail in November because the American people are looking for a positive vision of real change. And if the Tennessee Republican Party has a problem with Senator Obama, maybe next time they’ll have the courage to address him directly instead of attacking his family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 (edited) And McCain is kinda onboard with Bush, less harsh: McCain: Obama Naive and Inexperienced The presumptive Republican nominee was questioned about President Bush’s remarks to the Israeli Knesset -– which have been interpreted as an attack on Obama.... "It is a serious error on the part of Senator Obama that shows naiveté and inexperience and lack of judgment to say that he wants to sit down across the table from an individual who leads a country that says and says that Israel is a stinking corpse, that is dedicated to the extinction of the state of Israel." Edited May 15, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 The Obama campaign does need to reel in Mrs. Obama a bit. She hasn't said anything that is going to really hurt Obama yet IMO, but she's been on the verge enough that they might want to shut her up. After all, Hillary didn't ever really shut up Bill, and it hurt her badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 15, 2008 -> 02:27 PM) And McCain is onboard with Bush: McCain: Obama Naive and Inexperienced I wouldn't say that. He didn't compare Obama to Nazi appeasers, he just doesn't agree with talking to some of our worst enemies. To be honest, I'd love to see a poll on THIS, because the results would be fascinating from the American people. Of course, they never do polls on important stuff like this, they just keep polling for a democratic race which is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 15, 2008 -> 02:27 PM) And McCain is onboard with Bush: McCain: Obama Naive and Inexperienced Actually, McCain's statement there (while I disagree with its assumptions) is much more reasonable, and is not the same as what Bush said. Bush talked about appeasing terrorists. McCain points out his view that negotiating with Iran is a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 15, 2008 -> 02:35 PM) Actually, McCain's statement there (while I disagree with its assumptions) is much more reasonable, and is not the same as what Bush said. Bush talked about appeasing terrorists. McCain points out his view that negotiating with Iran is a bad idea. I corrected the opening statement. youa re right. He was less harsh than Bush. I think a while back that even Colon Powell, a man with great respect among Americans, also said we should talk to these other countries rather than put out head in the sand. If someone can find a link about that i'd appreciate it. Edited May 15, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 15, 2008 -> 01:42 PM) I corrected the opening statement. youa re right. He was less harsh than Bush. I think a while back that even Colon Powell, a man with great respect among Americans, also said we should talk to these other countries rather than put out head in the sand. If someone can find a link about that i'd appreciate it. Powell actually has a sense for how to deal with other countries. BushCo is dominated by people who feel that America should just bludgeon their way through to what they need. That's why Powell was eventually, unceremoniously, sent packing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 15, 2008 -> 02:46 PM) Powell actually has a sense for how to deal with other countries. BushCo is dominated by people who feel that America should just bludgeon their way through to what they need. That's why Powell was eventually, unceremoniously, sent packing. I think i heard he tried to talk bush out of the Iraq war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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