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QUOTE (lostfan @ May 13, 2008 -> 03:12 PM)
Either they are flat-out lying, or they just plain don't understand how America should conduct its foreign policy and they aren't taking it seriously. I think it's a little of both actually.

 

I think what happened was they didn't actually see the interview, had a second hand source tell them, and got on the GOP email service to spray out that Obama considers Israel a sore.

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QUOTE (bmags @ May 13, 2008 -> 09:18 AM)
I think what happened was they didn't actually see the interview, had a second hand source tell them, and got on the GOP email service to spray out that Obama considers Israel a sore.

That's kind of how the whole Jeremiah Wright thing gets perpetuated too. When talking to people it's painfully obvious who actually knows more than the couple of video clips and short summaries and drew their own logical conclusions and who is happily fed their opinions by the talking heads on TV and have only seen 2 minutes of him, if even that, and can't even quote anything other than a couple of inflammatory one-liners. That's one of the ways cognitive dissonance works.

 

To be fair the Dems do it too when they talk about the war.

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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:49 AM)

Here is the response from the guy who conducted the interview. He pretty much rammed a cattle prod up John Boehner's rear end...

A press release from House Republican leader John Boehner asserts that Barack Obama told me that Israel is a "constant sore" that infects American foreign policy. "Israel is a critical American ally and a beacon of democracy in the Middle East, not a `constant sore' as Barack Obama claims," Boehner's statement reads.

 

Mr. Boehner, I'm sure, is a terribly busy man, with many burdensome responsibilities, so I have to assume that he simply didn't have time to read the entire Obama interview, or even the entire paragraph, or even a single clause. If he had, of course, he would have seen that Obama was clearly calling the Middle East conflict, and not Israel, a sore. Why, there's no one who would disagree that the Middle East conflict is a "sore," is there?

 

I have no doubt that Mr. Boehner will issue a correction to his press release in which he states the obvious, which is that Obama expressed -- in twelve different ways -- his support for Israel to me.

If he doesn't, however, I would, sadly, have to agree with my colleague, the less-forgiving Andrew Sullivan, who called Boehner's statement a "flat-out lie." In fact, I would add to Andrew's post, by calling Boehner's statement mendacious, duplicitous, gross, and comically refutable. So Mr. Boehner, do the right thing, and correct the record. I'll be happy to post the correction right here.

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White House Victory Fund

A new three-way agreement between the Obama campaign, the Clinton campaign, and the Democratic National Committee to raise money for the general election is being established.

  • The money raised will go to help the eventual nominee.
  • If the nominee accepts general election public financing, funds would be returned to donors.
  • The unusual joint account does not plan to accept money from lobbyists or PACs.

 

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Here We Go Again

 

by digby

 

There's a big voter disenfranchisement scheme unfolding in Missouri this week. It could be a very big problem --- they want it in place before November:

 

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in the Pre
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umptive nominee of the Democratic Party lo
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well.

 

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ince 2000, ha
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ing clo
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ely with the
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lator promoting a new con
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titutional amendment requiring photo ID. Republican
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Friday and bring it to voter
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having razor-thin victory margin
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This is one state where it really could make the difference.

 

Thor Hearne is one of the preeminent vote suppression experts in the Republican party. I've written about him many times. Brad Friedman has been following his every move for years. His involvement means this is a serious move to steal Missouri.

 

We know this hits African Americans and Latinos hard and it's designed to make them think twice about putting themselves through this legal hassle. But there's another group that's going to be hard hit by this ---- the elderly. And in Arizona, where they now require proof of citizenship, even though they've been voting for 60 years, they are now just out of luck:

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onal impact of denying people the right to vote becau
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trated by a heart-brea
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about her effort
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ince FDR in 1932. I quote an ACORN organizer about the u
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to the fund
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idential election
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cribe
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her
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,
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he wa
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ting her ballot in the February primary for the fir
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t major woman candidate for Pre
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ident, Hillary Clinton. But lac
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chool record
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to prove
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a native-born American citizen, the
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tate of Arizona'
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bureaucrat
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determined that thi
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former
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chool-teacher who taught generation
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of American
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houldn't be allowed to vote.

 

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with her
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outhern drawl. "I didn't get to vote becau
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trong-willed 78-year-old
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on, Nathan "Joey" Nemnich, a World War II veteran, i
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infuriated. "I'm pi
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ed.
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he'
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an American citizen who wor
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ed her whole life and I want her to vote," he
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ay
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. He went down to the local Motor Vehicle Divi
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ion to get her an Arizona ID and regi
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ter her to vote, armed with copie
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of hi
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mother'
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three driver
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' licen
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e
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from her previou
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home in Texa
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, along with copie
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of her
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ocial
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ecurity and Medicare card
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. All that wa
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n't good enough for the
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tate of Arizona. "The
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on
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of b****e
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are ta
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ing away our Con
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titution," Nemnich
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ay
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from voting, collateral damage in the Republican-led war on democracy. "I wa
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of the
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tate'
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roadbloc
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to voting. "It'
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not acceptable. I've alway
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voted."

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I love Joe Biden. His response to Bush's comments today:

 

This is bullsh** This is malarkey. This is outrageous. Outrageous for the president of the United States to go to a foreign country, sit in the Knesset…and make this kind of ridiculous statement,” Biden said angrily in a brief interview just off the Senate floor.

 

 

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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 15, 2008 -> 12:14 PM)
FWIW, Bush did not mention Obama by name.

It was pretty obvious who he was referring to since the other Dem running for president does not share Obama's views on bringing our enemies to the table.

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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 15, 2008 -> 01:20 PM)
It was pretty obvious who he was referring to since the other Dem running for president does not share Obama's views on bringing our enemies to the table.

He was also taking on Jimmy Carter. But, it was clearly an attempt to paint Obama as weak on terror.

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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 15, 2008 -> 10:21 AM)
The Tennessee GOP: Forget about telling the voters what we'll do for Americans, lets continue to bash the opponent using negative ads even thought the GOP just lost 3 seats in Congress.

The Obama campaign replies:

 

This is a shameful attempt to attack a woman who has repeatedly said she wouldn't be here without the opportunities and blessings of this nation. The Republican Party's pathetic attempts to use the same smear tactics to win elections have failed in Mississippi, failed in Louisiana, and will fail in November because the American people are looking for a positive vision of real change. And if the Tennessee Republican Party has a problem with Senator Obama, maybe next time they’ll have the courage to address him directly instead of attacking his family.

 

:notworthy

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And McCain is kinda onboard with Bush, less harsh:

 

McCain: Obama Naive and Inexperienced

The presumptive Republican nominee was questioned about President Bush’s remarks to the Israeli Knesset -– which have been interpreted as an attack on Obama.... "It is a serious error on the part of Senator Obama that shows naiveté and inexperience and lack of judgment to say that he wants to sit down across the table from an individual who leads a country that says and says that Israel is a stinking corpse, that is dedicated to the extinction of the state of Israel."
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The Obama campaign does need to reel in Mrs. Obama a bit. She hasn't said anything that is going to really hurt Obama yet IMO, but she's been on the verge enough that they might want to shut her up. After all, Hillary didn't ever really shut up Bill, and it hurt her badly.

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QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 15, 2008 -> 02:27 PM)
And McCain is onboard with Bush:

 

McCain: Obama Naive and Inexperienced

 

I wouldn't say that. He didn't compare Obama to Nazi appeasers, he just doesn't agree with talking to some of our worst enemies. To be honest, I'd love to see a poll on THIS, because the results would be fascinating from the American people. Of course, they never do polls on important stuff like this, they just keep polling for a democratic race which is over.

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QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 15, 2008 -> 02:27 PM)
And McCain is onboard with Bush:

 

McCain: Obama Naive and Inexperienced

Actually, McCain's statement there (while I disagree with its assumptions) is much more reasonable, and is not the same as what Bush said. Bush talked about appeasing terrorists. McCain points out his view that negotiating with Iran is a bad idea.

 

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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 15, 2008 -> 02:35 PM)
Actually, McCain's statement there (while I disagree with its assumptions) is much more reasonable, and is not the same as what Bush said. Bush talked about appeasing terrorists. McCain points out his view that negotiating with Iran is a bad idea.

I corrected the opening statement. youa re right. He was less harsh than Bush.

I think a while back that even Colon Powell, a man with great respect among Americans, also said we should talk to these other countries rather than put out head in the sand. If someone can find a link about that i'd appreciate it.

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QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 15, 2008 -> 01:42 PM)
I corrected the opening statement. youa re right. He was less harsh than Bush.

I think a while back that even Colon Powell, a man with great respect among Americans, also said we should talk to these other countries rather than put out head in the sand. If someone can find a link about that i'd appreciate it.

Powell actually has a sense for how to deal with other countries. BushCo is dominated by people who feel that America should just bludgeon their way through to what they need. That's why Powell was eventually, unceremoniously, sent packing.

 

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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 15, 2008 -> 02:46 PM)
Powell actually has a sense for how to deal with other countries. BushCo is dominated by people who feel that America should just bludgeon their way through to what they need. That's why Powell was eventually, unceremoniously, sent packing.

I think i heard he tried to talk bush out of the Iraq war.

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