For Dems only.

[Balta1701]

I think i heard he tried to talk bush out of the Iraq war.

And then he tried to talk the world in to it.

[HuskyCaucasian]

And then he tried to talk the world in to it.

yea. that part pisses me off. If you dont agree, then step aside.

[lostfan]

yea. that part pisses me off. If you dont agree, then step aside.

He's a career soldier. As long as he is employed by the gov't he does what his boss wants him to do.

 

However, also like a soldier, if you no longer believe in your leadership, you leave service when your time is up.

[Balta1701]

He's a career soldier. As long as he is employed by the gov't he does what his boss wants him to do.

 

However, also like a soldier, if you no longer believe in your leadership, you leave service when your time is up.

Or you leave service when they demand something from you that you know is wrong and you should not do.

[lostfan]

Or you leave service when they demand something from you that you know is wrong and you should not do.

He had that option. I guess loyalty played a role.

[Balta1701]

He had that option. I guess loyalty played a role.

And that is how history should judge him and the work he did. We have the Iraq war in no small part because Colin Powell valued loyalty to his superiors over loyalty to America and its people.

[NorthSideSox72]

And that is how history should judge him and the work he did. We have the Iraq war in no small part because Colin Powell valued loyalty to his superiors over loyalty to America and its people.

I have to disagree, sort of. You should read Curveball, and Fiasco, as well as Woodward's books about BushCo and Iraq. Powell expressed deep concerns, but further, he was also given horrible information by CIA. There was an episode where, prior to Powell's UN speech about trailers and chem-weaps, the CIA basically bungled the entire thing. They gave him information that wasn't even agreed upon by most of CIA - just the few who happened to line up with the Bush Administration's interests. Powell was assured by Tenet and others it was accurate and solid, when it was nothing of the sort.

 

So yes, Powell pushed the company line. But he was not intentionally dishonest, and I think he did a mostly admirable job of balancing loyalty to his employer and acting for the general good. Once it was clear what a debacle things were, he expressed it, and he and Armitage were shown to the door as a result.

 

[HuskyCaucasian]

Quick question:

In the video of Bush talking about the Nazis, they cut away to some guy who seems to be taking his translator ear pice and placing it hard on the desk. He seemed pissed. Who was he?

 

Here is the video (00:45):

Edited May 15, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000

[HuskyCaucasian]

This might be worse than the Matthews-Obama supporter video from a while back.

Here is why:

One of the BIGGEST criticisms of Obama supports is they dont know what he has done, or they simply parrot what he says he has done without specifics. This Guy, Kevin James, simply parrots what Bush was saying and had NO facts to back it up and no history background to even know what Bush was speaking about. He simply says what Bush says. When questioned about it, he simply shouts his parroting louder.

 

Right-Wing Radio yakker crashes and burns like the Hindenburg while trying to talk about appeasement ...

Edited May 15, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000

[BigSqwert]

 

LMAO

 

That guy came off as the biggest moron on Earth.

Edited May 15, 2008 by BigSqwert

[HuskyCaucasian]

That guy came off as the biggest moron on Earth.

The best part is where he tries to say "well, i didnt say it. Bush did." The problem: You were saying and DEFENDING what he said. Therefore, you to are saying it.

[bmags]

haha, i just saw that on TV, it was entertaining, shallow and uneducational, but entertaining.

[HuskyCaucasian]

Olbermann is ripping apart McCain's speech today piece by piece.

 

Here's Video:

 

Edited May 16, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000

[HuskyCaucasian]

To be fair, the title of the article over states it, but it is interesting to say the least. It warrants further investigation...

 

Exclusive Video: McCain Was For Talking To Hamas Before He Was Against It

RUBIN: "Do you think that American diplomats should be operating the way they have in the past, working with the Palestinian government if Hamas is now in charge?"

McCAIN: "They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another, and I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice, so . . . but it's a new reality in the Middle East. I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and decent future, that they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that."

[HuskyCaucasian]

This is awesome...

 

[BigSqwert]

This is awesome...

I guess "Straight Talk" means saying whatever you feel like saying, whether true or false, with a straight face. It's sad that the best the GOP could come up with is a 72 year old war mongerer singing Bomb Iran. Their whole campaign will be based on fear mongering and negative attacks.

[BigSqwert]

Ted Kennedy apparently suffered a stroke today.

 

[Balta1701]

Ted Kennedy apparently suffered a stroke today.

 

Currently they're saying it was a seizure and not a stroke, although that was the initial report.

[Rex Kickass]

Currently they're saying it was a seizure and not a stroke, although that was the initial report.

 

If it was a stroke, it would have been pretty mild as he was making phone calls to cancel lunch appointments within a couple hours that morning. So that's pretty good. :-)

[Mplssoxfan]

Jesse Ventura is making noises about filing for the MN Senate race between Norm Coleman and (probably) Al Franken. What a wild ride that would be.

 

Latest poll in that race has Coleman beating both of the two Dems still competing for the endorsement.

[HuskyCaucasian]

Track McCain Flip-Flops and missteps on issues..

http://www.mccainpedia.org/

 

[Balta1701]

Track McCain Flip-Flops and missteps on issues..

http://www.mccainpedia.org/

One interesting and perhaps important aspect of this campaign is going to be that since McCain has been such a media darling over the last 8 years, he's been on seemingly a couple shows a week and has been asked over and over again about pretty much every topic out there. Since in 2004 flip-flopping on issues became the worst sin in the history of mankind, the sheer amount of video and questions/answers involving McCain is probably going to produce a lot of very ripe fruit of the sort of that Hamas discussion from last week.

[HuskyCaucasian]

[BigSqwert]

Third Times A Charm: Kristol Once Again Flubs Facts In NYT Column

 

For years now, FOXNews pundit William Kristol has been wrong on nearly every subject he’s chosen to write about or speak to. His follies at Fox are legendary, and since bringing his special brand of fact- & research-free hackery to the pages of the New York Times, he’s made not one, not two, but now three glaring gaffes to add to his comical body of work.

 

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In fact, on the same day, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee beat McCain by the same margin Kristol touted as unprecedented — 41 points — in the Arkansas primary. As did Mitt Romney in the Colorado caucus.

 

This is at least the third time that Kristol has gotten the facts wrong in his Times column. In his debut column, Kristol misattributed a quote by Michael Medved to Michelle Malkin. Later, Kristol falsely claimed Obama was in church on a day that he was not.

[Balta1701]

Another great tale of voter fraud...and $1.4 million in taxpayer dollars down the drain.

More than two years ago, Republican Attorney General Greg Abbott pledged to root out what he called an epidemic of voter fraud in Texas.

 

He established a special unit in his office, tapped a $1.4 million federal crime-fighting grant and dispatched investigators.

 

Since then, Mr. Abbott has prosecuted 26 cases – all against Democrats, and almost all involving blacks or Hispanics, a review by The Dallas Morning News shows.

 

The cases usually have resulted in small fines and little or no jail time, and for all the extra attention, Mr. Abbott has not unraveled any large-scale schemes with the potential to swing elections.

Out of that pool of 26 cases, which comes to about $54,000 per case, 18 were due to the fact that in Texas, it seems its illegal for you to pick up someone's absentee ballot and carry it to the mailbox for them even if they're incapacitated unless you sign the document, and the person picking up the ballot and carrying it to the mailbox was prosecuted.