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QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 1, 2008 -> 04:04 PM)
Already in the Dem thread. But I guess this one falls in both nicely.

 

hopefully Coulter will leave the GOP for good. Go to the Dems, they can have her/him/it (not sure what Anne Coulter is)

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QUOTE(mr_genius @ Feb 1, 2008 -> 02:30 PM)
hopefully Ms.Coulter will leave the GOP for good. Go to the Dems, they can have her/him/it (not sure what coulter is)

Oh God no....and Oh God, we're unarmed, so we can't force her to stay away! Damn these liberal beliefs!

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QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Feb 1, 2008 -> 04:31 PM)
Oh God no....and Oh God, we're unarmed, so we can't force her to stay away! Damn these liberal beliefs!

 

but he/she/it sells lots of books, i think you all should take Anne in as one of your own. it'll be fun. trust me. :D

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QUOTE(mr_genius @ Feb 1, 2008 -> 02:33 PM)
but she sells lots of books, i think you all should take her in as one of your own. it'll be fun. trust me. :D

So now not only does my side need to arm itself, but we need to adopt book burning rallies too.

 

The horror, the horror...

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QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Feb 1, 2008 -> 05:18 PM)
Yes but doesn't that just increase our carbon footprint?

 

Yea, suppose it does. but thats when you send Anne out in a lab coat and she explains how the carbon from burning books is good for the environment.

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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/26377.html

 

Clinton's '35 years of change' omits most of her career

By Matt Stearns | McClatchy Newspapers

 

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WASHINGTON — To hear Hillary Clinton talk, she's spent her entire career putting her Yale Law School degree to work for the common good.

 

She routinely tells voters that she's "been working to bring positive change to people's lives for 35 years." She told a voter in New Hampshire: "I've spent so much of my life in the nonprofit sector." Speaking in South Carolina, Bill Clinton said his wife "could have taken a job with a firm ... Instead she went to work with Marian Wright Edelman at the Children's Defense Fund."

 

The overall portrait is of a lifelong, selfless do-gooder. The whole story is more complicated — and less flattering.

 

Clinton worked at the Children's Defense Fund for less than a year, and that's the only full-time job in the nonprofit sector she's ever had. She also worked briefly as a law professor.

 

Clinton spent the bulk of her career — 15 of those 35 years — at one of Arkansas' most prestigious corporate law firms, where she represented big companies and served on corporate boards.

 

Neither she nor her surrogates, however, ever mention that on the campaign trail. Her campaign Web site biography devotes six paragraphs to her pro bono legal work for the poor but sums up the bulk of her experience in one sentence: "She also continued her legal career as a partner in a law firm."

 

The full truth doesn't fit into the carefully crafted narrative the campaign has developed about Clinton, said Sally Bedell Smith, the author of "For Love of Politics," a study of the Clintons' partnership.

 

"She wants to be seen as someone who has devoted her life to public service," Smith said. "I suppose if you say it enough, maybe you can get people to believe it."

 

Spokesman Phil Singer said the campaign highlights Clinton's side work because it discovered early on that voters didn't know about it.

 

Clinton did a great deal of public service work during her time at the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock. She served on the board of the Legal Services Corp. during the Carter administration and for a time was its chair. She helped found a child advocacy system in Arkansas and took on several tasks as the state's first lady, such as revisions of the state's education system and rural health care delivery. She also served on the board of directors of the Children's Defense Fund, and on the board of a children's hospital.

 

"It's important for voters to know that she worked to improve rural health care, to improve education," Singer said. "Yes, she worked at a law firm. Are voters interested in hearing about some accounting case she worked on, or things people care about in the real world? ... That's the point, that's the rationale. It's nothing more complicated than that."

 

Clinton did receive a smaller salary than most other Rose partners, topping out at about $200,000, in part because of her outside activities, according to several biographies.

 

But "these were all activities on the margins of her professional life, working as a corporate lawyer, representing corporations," biographer Smith said.

 

In her autobiography, "Living History," Clinton mentions two cases. In one, she represented a canning company against a man who found part of a dead rat in his pork and beans. In another, she represented a logging company accused of wrongdoing after an accident injured several workers. While Clinton used both anecdotes for comic effect, in both cases she was working for corporate interests.

 

She also served on corporate boards, including that of retail giant Wal-Mart from 1986-1992, frozen yogurt purveyor TCBY from 1985-1992 and cement manufacturer LaFarge from 1990-1992. She earned tens of thousands of dollars in fees from each.

 

Clinton's firm represented Wal-Mart and TCBY while she sat on their boards, a cozy practice that corporate governance experts frown upon because of the potential for conflicts of interest.

 

Politicians naturally want to stick to their chosen narratives, but other aspects of Clinton's relationship with the Rose Law Firm could remind voters of the more controversial side of the Clinton legacy.

 

There was her work on behalf of Madison Guaranty, a failed savings and loan at the heart of the Whitewater investigation — the billing records of which were mysteriously found in a White House storage room years after investigators first asked for them. And there's Webster Hubbell, a Rose partner, Clinton pal and high-ranking Justice Department official who was convicted of fraud charges related to his work at the firm.

 

Clinton isn't the only candidate downplaying less high-minded work. Rival Barack Obama cultivates a squeaky-clean image and referred to his work as a "civil rights attorney" at Thursday's Los Angeles debate. He didn't mention other work he did during his decade at Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland, a small Chicago law firm, helping craft housing deals involving millions of dollars in public subsidies.

 

Among those involved in some of the deals: Obama patron Tony Rezko. He donated thousands to Obama's campaigns, raised thousands more and was even involved in the purchase of the Obama family home in Chicago.

 

These days, Rezko is awaiting trial in federal court on fraud charges.

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QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 4, 2008 -> 05:38 PM)
Its those damn spend-and-spend conservatives again.

 

pretty much. I would call them spend and spend 'conservatives'. it's funny how some of them are supposedly "The real conservatives of the party", when most of what they do isn't conservative in any sense. and don't forget to blame the liberals in congress, they spend spend spend just as bad as anyone.

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QUOTE(mr_genius @ Feb 4, 2008 -> 06:40 PM)
pretty much. I would call them spend and spend 'conservatives'. it's funny how they claim to be "The real conservatives of the party", when most of what they do isn't conservative in any sense. and don't forget to blame the liberals in congress, they spend spend spend just as bad as anyone.

Oh I definitely am aware of the problem with neither party having any fiscal disciplince.

 

Before, there used to be two choices - tax-and-spend liberals, and fiscal conservatives. You can make arguments either way on what is best for the country, but, there was a balance of sorts there. Now, its tax-and-spend, or spend-on-deficit. WTF kind of choice is that? Frankly, I'd rather see tax-and-spend than spend-on-deficit, but neither one is anything worth being happy about.

 

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QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Feb 5, 2008 -> 06:39 AM)
And he actually had the balls to criticize Congress for spending.

 

Oh, and lets not forget, this budget slashes an awful lot of Dept. of Education programs and funding, while at the same time he's still pushing hard for NCLB.

 

It also cuts Amtrak funding 40% too from 1.3 billion to 900 million, knowing full well that they'll get 2 billion in a veto proof majority.

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With all this HATE for McCain from large portions of the Right... wjy is McCain so hated?

Also, why does the right seem to think anyone one step to the left of far right is the devil? I've NEVER understood this hatred. You dont hear people on the far left whole sale ripping apart someone on the right. Yes they might disagree, but you never hear them declair them the devil.

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QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Feb 7, 2008 -> 11:38 AM)
With all this HATE for McCain from large portions of the Right... wjy is McCain so hated?

Also, why does the right seem to think anyone one step to the left of far right is the devil? I've NEVER understood this hatred. You dont hear people on the far left whole sale ripping apart someone on the right. Yes they might disagree, but you never hear them declair them the devil.

 

To quote the legendary Jack Buck ... "I can't believe what I just saw!"

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QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Feb 7, 2008 -> 11:41 AM)
Big difference. Romney is suspending. Which means he keeps his delegates.

 

Romney could suddenly prove very valuable to a Mike Huckabee trying to become the nominee.

 

If Huckabee can extend his reach somewhat, we could have a kingmaker.

 

He's taking the podium at CPAC now

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QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Feb 7, 2008 -> 11:41 AM)
Big difference. Romney is suspending. Which means he keeps his delegates.

 

Romney could suddenly prove very valuable to a Mike Huckabee trying to become the nominee.

 

If Huckabee can extend his reach somewhat, we could have a kingmaker.

 

So now Romney is going to give his delegates to the guy who he thinks has been a spoiler, ruining his presidential run? that would be kinda funny.

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QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Feb 7, 2008 -> 11:38 AM)
With all this HATE for McCain from large portions of the Right... wjy is McCain so hated?

Also, why does the right seem to think anyone one step to the left of far right is the devil? I've NEVER understood this hatred. You dont hear people on the far left whole sale ripping apart someone on the right. Yes they might disagree, but you never hear them declair them the devil.

 

It's not that hard to grasp. Conservatives dislike anybody who doesn't agree with them (including moderate members of their own party), and are kicking and screaming at the changes in their party going on right now. As a result, McCain, who is perhaps the biggest beneficiary of these changes, is becoming a target for all conservative political people to attack because he's the face of the change and is making conservatives drop left and right in this campaign.

 

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Feb 7, 2008 -> 11:48 AM)
So now Romney is going to give his delegates to the guy who he thinks has been a spoiler, ruining his presidential run? that would be kinda funny.

 

Yeah, that's a small detail people are trying to forget apparently. Yeah, Romney and his all of a sudden conservative ways are closer to Huckabee, but there is no love lost there. I just find it hilarious that Romney was b****ing that Huckabee got in his way, and he ends up dropping out before Huck did.

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QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 7, 2008 -> 11:48 AM)
It's not that hard to grasp. Conservatives dislike anybody who doesn't agree with them (including moderate members of their own party), and are kicking and screaming at the changes in their party going on right now. As a result, McCain, who is perhaps the biggest beneficiary of these changes, is becoming a target for all conservative political people to attack because he's the face of the change and is making conservatives drop left and right in this campaign.

 

Like liberals don't despise anybody that doesn't agree with them. :rolly

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