WHarris1 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 (edited) What do ya know, the Bulls f***ing find a new way to lose. Gordon with a s***ty shot choice to end regulation then just a complete blowout in OT. :finger Bulls Edited January 1, 2006 by WHarris1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 When we had the one possesion where all Kirk did was hold the ball for a bit than shoot and miss I knew they would blow it after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Man, the Bulls had some UGLY shots late in that game. That one by Deng in overtime that clanged into the front of the rim and bounced straight down was just nasty. Anywho, at least the Pistons were dealt another loss. Now we just need them to get 7 more of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Most improved player in the NBA? Gotta be Boris Diaw, a fantasy player's dream. In December, he averaged 12.1 points, 7.7 rebounds, 6.4 assists, and 1.3 blocks. How good does that Joe Johnson trade for the Suns look now? With their current system, if they can keep Mike D'Antoni coaching for a long time and Amare comes back healthy, they're going to be good for a long, long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:56 PM) Define "done s***"? Shaq averaged 23, 11, nearly 3 blocks on 60% shooting last season. You don't think the Lakers could've used that last year? And he's puttin up some pretty good numbers now since he's been back. He's still easily the best center in the game. He still commands double and triple teams on a nightly basis. It's not a coincidence that the Heat were just 9-9 while Shaq was out. He looks nothing like he use to in the past. His man to man defense resembles curry's at this point and sure he gets blocks but it is not because he is the fierce help defender he once use to be. He has lost some steps and it shows up. Defense is half the game and he is no longer like he once was. Forgive me for not thinking his numbers demand 20-30 million a season ( no one does and especially not this version of shaq). This guy could have been that much greater if he was ever able to avoid the injury bug he has had his whole career. It is understandable though considering his massive size and how hard he goes at the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 QUOTE(qwerty @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 09:41 PM) He looks nothing like he use to in the past. His man to man defense resembles curry's at this point and sure he gets blocks but it is not because he is the fierce help defender he once use to be. He has lost some steps and it shows up. Defense is half the game and he is no longer like he once was. Forgive me for not thinking his numbers demand 20-30 million a season ( no one does and especially not this version of shaq). This guy could have been that much greater if he was ever able to avoid the injury bug he has had his whole career. It is understandable though considering his massive size and how hard he goes at the game. Age comes for us all. Sure, Shaq isn't the dominant force he was 5 year's ago. But he's still plenty good. Shaq is a guy that you can't just judge by stats. He makes things so much easier for everybody, especially perimiter players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 04:48 PM) Could we see the greatest player ever to play, who knows. Not trying to compare him to anyone, espeically until he takes the Cavs to the promise land let alone the playoffs. It'll be a fun 15+ years to watch from this guy. Whoa, I'm not gonna go that far. As good as Bron is now, he's got a LONG way to go to even think of him possibly being the greatest player ever. One, his man defense is awful. I've seen guys like Rashard Lewis and Corey Magette score at will on him. He's still gotta work on things such as his mid-range shot and post-up game. And, of course, we haven't seen him in the playoffs yet. He's gonna have to dominate multiple post season's and win multiple championships before he can even crack the top 20 best players ever. But he's off to a great start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Bron is absolutely fantastic but he isnt and will never be close to MJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jan 1, 2006 -> 08:11 PM) Bron is absolutely fantastic but he isnt and will never be close to MJ. It's too early to tell on that yet, although at this stage I probably agree with you. Let's see how Lebron goes when his team reaches the playoffs, and whether he can elevate his game and put in some Jordan-esque like performances. But things are looking quite good for the Cavs at the moment. Mike Brown looks like a pretty good hire for them at the moment. And they've got quite a bit of improvement still, Larry Hughes hasn't reached his A game yet, Donyell Marshall can probably play better, and they've got Sideshow Bob (Anderson Var.... something ) to come back off the bench, because if there's one thing they're weak at, it's quality re-inforcements off the pine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jan 1, 2006 -> 04:11 AM) Bron is absolutely fantastic but he isnt and will never be close to MJ. I still think it's too early to dismiss his career altogether. Bron JUST turned 21. MJ took 5 or 6 seasons before he won his first championship, Bron at least deserves that much time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Jan 1, 2006 -> 10:36 AM) I still think it's too early to dismiss his career altogether. Bron JUST turned 21. MJ took 5 or 6 seasons before he won his first championship, Bron at least deserves that much time. Dismissing his career and calling him possibly the greatest player ever is a wide range. I don't think anybody here is doing either one at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 1, 2006 -> 11:44 AM) Dismissing his career and calling him possibly the greatest player ever is a wide range. I don't think anybody here is doing either one at this point. Right, exactly. Bron is going to put up ridiculous numbers but he's never going to be the clutch player MJ was and he's never going to be the defender that Jordan was, it's just not going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jan 1, 2006 -> 01:16 PM) Right, exactly. Bron is going to put up ridiculous numbers but he's never going to be the clutch player MJ was and he's never going to be the defender that Jordan was, it's just not going to happen. Most important part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jan 1, 2006 -> 11:27 AM) Most important part. I want Bron Bron on the Bulls. The guy is the best player in the NBA, imo. He has the rare ability to make people around him better. Its a skill Kobe lacks and Garnett lacks and only the greats have it. Michael was able to do it and early on it looks like Lebron is as well. Of course he hasn't had the talent around him (and he still has some work to do himself) to make it far. He won't get there this year either, but the kid is the best player at his age that I've ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 difference between Lebron and Jordon on their 2nd years is Jordan played with crap and Lebron actually has a good team around him. Hughes and Iglauskis are good players and Gooden/Marshall are above avg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Team Assist-To-Turnover Ratios 1. Detroit 2.05 to 1.00 2. Phoenix 1.88 to 1.00 3. Philadelphia 1.60 to 1.00 4. Minnesota 1.59 to 1.00 5. New Jersey 1.58 to 1.00 6. Sacramento 1.57 to 1.00 7. Golden State 1.56 to 1.00 8. Denver 1.53 to 1.00 9. San Antonio 1.47 to 1.00 10. Toronto 1.43 to 1.00 11. LA Clippers 1.41 to 1.00 12. LA Lakers 1.41 to 1.00 13. Memphis 1.40 to 1.00 14. Milwaukee 1.39 to 1.00 15. Seattle 1.39 to 1.00 16. Chicago 1.37 to 1.00 17. Miami 1.37 to 1.00 18. Washington 1.34 to 1.00 19. Charlotte 1.33 to 1.00 20. Cleveland 1.33 to 1.00 21. New Orleans 1.30 to 1.00 22. Boston 1.27 to 1.00 23. Utah 1.27 to 1.00 24. Dallas 1.28 to 1.00 25. Portland 1.16 to 1.00 26. Indiana 1.14 to 1.00 27. Houston 1.14 to 1.00 28. Atlanta 1.09 to 1.00 29. Orlando 1.07 to 1.00 30. New York 1.00 to 1.00 Wow, how about that Larry Brown team with a dead-even Assist-To-Turnover ratio? They have got to be one of the most pathetic teams in NBA history. If not for young guys like Channing Frye and Trevor Ariza, they'd be competing with the Hawks and Raptors for the #1 pick, and the Bulls would have a legitimate shot at getting the best college basketball player in the nation. The bottom three teams are those that you'd expect to see with Starbury, Stevie Franchise, and Joe Johnson trying to set up an offense in the half court. The Pacers situation is shocking, however. They should be right around 1.35 to 1.00. Despite the fact that Nash turns it over 4 times for every 10 assists, the Suns are looking damn good in overall Assist-To-Turnover Ratio. They also lead the league in fewest assists allowed per game: 1. Phoenix 16.44 2. San Antonio 16.54 3. Dallas 17.06 4. Utah 17.54 5. Indiana 17.74 What this indicates is that the Suns have a 2-3-4 combo that can play some defense in Bell/Diaw/Marion. They can shut down those passing lanes, and then some. I didn't think they had even a prayer of beating the Spurs in the Conference Finals last year, but this year, after Stoudemire gets back, they could very well force a 6 or 7 game series. They still don't have enough beef on the interior, but they should be able to contain Ginobli, Parker, Finley, etc. That's a damn good ratio for Philadelphia, too. You'd have to figure that anything above 1.50 is pretty much golden. What else can you say about Detroit? They're just an insane squad. Top notch defense and one of the most efficient offenses (read: no risks) in the NBA thus far. It's a beautiful thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 The Bulls are in the process of blowing another game at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jan 2, 2006 -> 10:14 PM) The Bulls are in the process of blowing another game at home. Don't tell me you're still surprised at how bad they are... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted January 3, 2006 Author Share Posted January 3, 2006 dont look now but its tied Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jan 2, 2006 -> 09:23 PM) Don't tell me you're still surprised at how bad they are... When was I ever surprised and does anything about "The Bulls are in the process of blowing another game at home." seem surprised to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jan 2, 2006 -> 10:28 PM) When was I ever surprised and does anything about "The Bulls are in the process of blowing another game at home." seem surprised to you? You overreacted, complained, and b****ed about their mistakes and bad plays in the game threads, when they were made, as if you expected more from this sad group of players. Hence my question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirScott Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jan 2, 2006 -> 10:31 PM) You overreacted, complained, and b****ed about their mistakes and bad plays in the game threads, when they were made, as if you expected more from this sad group of players. Hence my question. it's a message board, a device meant for people to come together to over-react, complain, and b**** about their favorites teams' mistakes and bad plays. then, if there's time, possibly have a few intelligent discussions about those teams. you may not expect much from those teams some years, but you still want to see them do well. and when they don't, people tend to over-react, b****, and complain. Edited January 3, 2006 by AirScott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 QUOTE(AirScott @ Jan 2, 2006 -> 10:57 PM) it's a message board, a device meant for people to come together to over-react, complain, and b**** about their favorites teams' mistakes and bad plays. then, if there's time, possibly have a few intelligent discussions about those teams. you may not expect much from those teams some years, but you still want to see them do well. and when they don't, people tend to over-react, b****, and complain. As opposed to merely pointing out his particular complaining out of the blue, I was explaining to him why I asked the question that I asked, but thanks for explaining the intricancies of a message board to me. I wouldn't call him the most cordial poster either. Anyways... tyson's line tonight: 11 min., 2 boards, 2 blocks, 0-2 for 0 points previous game: 14 min., 0 boards, 1 block, 1-2 for 2 points, 3 turnovers Talk about disappointing...Is there more wrong to him than is being said? I knew he wasn't as good as some here build him up to be, but never this bad. Maybe I should add fuel to the fire by commenting that curry had 20 points, 15 boards, and a block. Never mind that is was triple OT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jan 3, 2006 -> 04:22 AM) tyson's line tonight: 11 min., 2 boards, 2 blocks, 0-2 for 0 points previous game: 14 min., 0 boards, 1 block, 1-2 for 2 points, 3 turnovers Talk about disappointing...Is there more wrong to him than is being said? I knew he wasn't as good as some here build him up to be, but never this bad. He needs to move back to PF and average somewhere between 30 and 35 minutes per game. None of this 15 minute crap out of the C slot. Isn't it obvious by now that John Paxson is an incredible dumbass? No back-up plan at the C slot, no legitimate SG on the roster, etc. We're gonna have two high picks next year & a s***load of cap space. Maybe it's time to get Paxson the f*** outta here and bring in someone that knows what they're doing. Otherwise, we're gonna suck for a loooong time if his moves up to this point have been any indication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 I can't even watch the Bulls anymore....between our midget "bigs" and blowing leads, it makes me want to poke my eye out with a piece of sharp glass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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