2006 Hall of Fame Ballot

[Mplssoxfan]

.277 Career Average.

342 Home Runs.

He made a ton of Errors.

He had some good stats and he was a very good player however I think HOF players are elite.  Not just very good.

 

I think of him as good but not Hall of Fame type.

Santo "made a ton of errors?" Lets look at some career numbers.

 

 

Field% League Field % Range Factor League RF

 

Player One .971 .953 3.10 2.76

Player Two .954 .948 3.07 2.58

 

So Player One has a better comparative F% than Player Two, but Player Two has better comparative Range.

 

Player One? Brooks Robinson. That would of course make Player Two Ron Santo.

 

Hitting? Brooks batted .267, hit 268 HR and had 1357 RBI in 10654 career AB. He averaged 48 walks per season and slugged .401. Santo batted .277, hit 342 HR and had 1331 RBI in 8143 career AB. He averaged 80 walks per season and slugged .464.

 

One of these players in in the HOF, the other isn't. I'm as big a fan of Brooks Robinson as anyone else who posts here. It was a thrill when I met him. If I ever met Ron Santo, I certainly wouldn't be thrilled. But Ron Santo belongs in the HOF.

 

I promise I'm not picking on you, Josh. You say that the HOF is for the elite. If only that were true. Mike Schmidt and Eddie Matthews are not the standard for the HOF. Pie Traynor and Brooks Robinson are closer to the standard, and Ron Santo is at least as good as Robinson, and is far better than Traynor.

[White Sox Josh]

Santo "made a ton of errors?"  Lets look at some career numbers.

                          Field%      League Field %    Range Factor  League RF               

 

Player One            .971              .953                  3.10              2.76

Player Two            .954              .948                  3.07              2.58

 

So Player One has a better comparative F% than Player Two, but Player Two has better comparative Range.

 

Player One?  Brooks Robinson.  That would of course make Player Two Ron Santo.

 

Hitting?  Brooks batted .267, hit 268 HR and had 1357 RBI in 10654 career AB.  He averaged 48 walks per season and slugged .401.  Santo batted .277, hit 342 HR and had 1331 RBI in 8143 career AB.  He averaged 80 walks per season and slugged .464.

 

One of these players in in the HOF, the other isn't.  I'm as big a fan of Brooks Robinson as anyone else who posts here.  It was a thrill when I met him.  If I ever met Ron Santo, I certainly wouldn't be thrilled.  But Ron Santo belongs in the HOF.

 

I promise I'm not picking on you, Josh.  You say that the HOF is for the elite.  If only that were true.  Mike Schmidt and Eddie Matthews are not the standard for the HOF.  Pie Traynor and Brooks Robinson are closer to the standard, and Ron Santo is at least as good as Robinson, and is far better than Traynor.

Robinson was a much better fielder. Santo was a good fielder but Robinson might be the best defensive 3B of all time.

[YASNY]

Robinson was a much better fielder.  Santo was a good fielder but Robinson might be the best defensive 3B of all time.

 

In his prime, Santo was every bit as good as Brooks. Robinson got the notoriety because he was on the post season stage. Santo was excellent as well.

[knightni]

You think Jeff Reardon will ever "break in" to the Hall?

[JoeBatterz]

Getting back on track with Ozzie in the Hall, there is no way he makes it in as a player.

 

A better question, will Ozzie get the minimum 5% of the vote needed to remain on the ballet next season?

[YASNY]

Getting back on track with Ozzie in the Hall, there is no way he makes it in as a player.

 

A better question, will Ozzie get the minimum 5% of the vote needed to remain on the ballet next season?

 

I doubt it.

[The Critic]

I think Santo could get in and it wouldn't be wrong, but it's so much more fun to have him begging for it every year. He's such a jag it's not even funny. He was hated in his time by other players and umpires for showboating and whining. Now he's portrayed as a cuddly lovable "This Old Cub" when the fact is he's every bit as bitter and angry as he's ever been.

 

Ozzie was a very good player, but not Hall-worthy. Let him win a few more Series as a manager and put him in the Hall that way.

[southsider2k5]

Getting back on track with Ozzie in the Hall, there is no way he makes it in as a player.

 

A better question, will Ozzie get the minimum 5% of the vote needed to remain on the ballet next season?

 

Like I said to his Hall chances, no way. he might get 10 votes total.

[endymion853]

Here is an interesting question.....

 

If Harold Baines was on the Hall of Fame Ballot this season, would he get in? He is definitley, IMHO, the most qualified candidate if he was going this year. Next year he will be left in the dust with McGwire, Gwynn and Ripken. It's interesting to think what could have happened if he went this year instead.

 

And who would have thunk at the time?? Harold's career lasted longer than Albert Belle!

 

I'm just glad to see Harold get a WS ring with the White Sox. One of my favorite ball players, one of the classiest ball players to play the game.

 

Endymion

[witesoxfan]

won consecutive 5 Gold Glove awards for fielding excellence from 1964 to 1968.

But he made a lot of errors

 

Of course, everyone knows errors are one of the worst ways to judge a player's fielding ability. Sox fans should know this since Luis Aparacio played for the Sox and all.

[YASNY]

Here is an interesting question.....

 

If Harold Baines was on the Hall of Fame Ballot this season, would he get in?  He is definitley, IMHO, the most qualified candidate if he was going this year.  Next year he will be left in the dust with McGwire, Gwynn and Ripken.  It's interesting to think what could have happened if he went this year instead.

 

And who would have thunk at the time??  Harold's career lasted longer than Albert Belle! 

 

I'm just glad to see Harold get a WS ring with the White Sox.  One of my favorite ball players, one of the classiest ball players to play the game.

 

Endymion

 

To answer your question, I say no. I don't think Harold will ever get into the hall. This is not anything against Baines, but it's an honest assessment on my part.

[southsider2k5]

To answer your question, I say no.  I don't think Harold will ever get into the hall.  This is not anything against Baines, but it's an honest assessment on my part.

 

^^^

 

I loved Harold growning up and saw almost all of his career first hand. In my judgement there were way more dominant players such as Jim Rice who deserve to be in the HOF before Baines does.

[Baines3]

Heard on TV and read on the internet that Bruce Sutter was the only person elected to the Hall of Fame. I would think that Jim Rice certainly should have gotten in as well as Rich Gossage.

 

[YASNY]

Heard on TV and read on the internet that Bruce Sutter was the only person elected to the Hall of Fame.  I would think that Jim Rice certainly should have gotten in as well as Rich Gossage.

 

 

Gossage > Sutter