sircaffey Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Just a side note not pertaining to the actual trade but... What would getting Tejada do for the White Sox as a business? All the talk this offseason for the Cubs has really only been about possibly getting Tejada. Then we get him? Not only would we have national name to go with the franchise, but we basically cut off the Cubs' balls this offseason...(not advocating the trade one way or another, just merely thinking about the ramifications) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 (edited) With another good OBP guy at the top of the order, he will benefit. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sure, but he will have to become a better hitter instead of just swinging for the fences. Morneau's .741 OPS from last season wasn't too pretty. For comparison, Rowand had a .736 OPS last year. Yea, but considering that they basically got him for free, it isn't that bad a move, and he could surprise. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> .251 career AVG .298 career OBP .458 career SLG His numbers in 2004 were even worse. He's also 32 years old now. I wouldn't bet a nickel that Batista will surprise. He will hit some homers but he will also put up a crappy AVG and OPS. Edited December 30, 2005 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 02:46 PM) I wouldn't bet a nickel that Batista will surprise. He will hit some homers but he will also put up a crappy AVG and OPS. Neither would I, but if he's free if he doesnt make the roster, how can it hurt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damen Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 01:50 PM) Neither would I, but if he's free if he doesnt make the roster, how can it hurt? Not that it will hurt, but you're using him as an example of significant improvement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Neither would I, but if he's free if he doesnt make the roster, how can it hurt? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Joe Borchard is practically free and could hit a lot of homers and put up a crappy AVG and OPS. Would you want him starting for us? My point is that if Batista does win the starting job at third base for the Twins, he could actually end up hurting their offense. He's a one-dimensional hitter, he swings for the fences every at bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 01:50 PM) Neither would I, but if he's free if he doesnt make the roster, how can it hurt? It could also keep them from addressing their gleering weakness at 3B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 It could also keep them from addressing their gleering weakness at 3B. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 MLB Trade rumor is interesting, but I wonder how this guy got his info and if it is legit b/c Levine has good Sox sources and said they are looking to trim payroll. But maybe the Sox are being coy in case they don't they don't get Tejada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Damen @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 02:52 PM) Not that it will hurt, but you're using him as an example of significant improvement? I said that if he surprises, he will be a significant improvement. He was a pretty good source of power in his youth. If he can show any power at all, which the Twins drastically need, it will be an improvement, specially because if he sucks, they don't lose any money. Also, his name is Tony Batista, not Bastilla, my mistake. Edited December 30, 2005 by Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Who the hell is Alex Woodson and why would Baltimore possible want a rookie ball pitcher. According to mlbtraderumor.com Sox have two offers on the table for Tejada. Option 1: Jose Contreras, Juan Uribe, and one minor league prospect for Tejada. Option 2: Brandon McCarthy, Juan Uribe, 20 year-old southpaw Alex Woodson, and another minor leaguer for Tejada. In this scenario, the White Sox would get cash back from the Orioles in the third and fourth years of Tejada's contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 01:56 PM) I said that if he surprises, he will be a significant improvement. He was a pretty good source of power in his youth. If he can show any power at all, which the Twins drastically need, it will be an improvement, specially because if he sucks, they don't lose any money. Also, his name is Tony Batista, not Bastilla, my mistake. If he plays half way decent in spring training and ends up making the team then proceeds to suck during the regular season, he would have hurt the Twins more than he helped them because it would keep them from going out and finding a servicable player to fill that 3B spot (Corey Koskie.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 It's no secret that I'm not a fan of Juanito, but every time I hear the name Tejada and the words White Sox mentioned in the same sentence, I puke into my mouth. Kenny and Ozzie, PLEASE NO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 If he plays half way decent in spring training and ends up making the team then proceeds to suck during the regular season, he would have hurt the Twins more than he helped them because it would keep them from going out and finding a servicable player to fill that 3B spot (Corey Koskie.) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 01:46 PM) Sure, but he will have to become a better hitter instead of just swinging for the fences. Morneau's .741 OPS from last season wasn't too pretty. For comparison, Rowand had a .736 OPS last year. .251 career AVG .298 career OBP .458 career SLG His numbers in 2004 were even worse. He's also 32 years old now. I wouldn't bet a nickel that Batista will surprise. He will hit some homers but he will also put up a crappy AVG and OPS. Nearly all japanese baseball fans ( myself included... it is very interesting to follow) believe he just went over to japan to get steroids out of his system. He really didn't have a desire to be there and never really got along in his short time there. He just pulled a gabe kapler... but signed for a much bigger contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 12:58 PM) Who the hell is Alex Woodson and why would Baltimore possible want a rookie ball pitcher. According to mlbtraderumor.com Sox have two offers on the table for Tejada. Option 1: Jose Contreras, Juan Uribe, and one minor league prospect for Tejada. Option 2: Brandon McCarthy, Juan Uribe, 20 year-old southpaw Alex Woodson, and another minor leaguer for Tejada. In this scenario, the White Sox would get cash back from the Orioles in the third and fourth years of Tejada's contract. The O's won't take Option 1 because they have no need for an expensive, aging pitcher who is in the last year of his contract. However, they might be interested in Option 2. That said, I'd like KW to wait until June or July before he makes another move. If our guys are scoring runs, there's no need to part ways with McCarthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damen Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 01:56 PM) I said that if he surprises, he will be a significant improvement. He was a pretty good source of power in his youth. If he can show any power at all, which the Twins drastically need, it will be an improvement, specially because if he sucks, they don't lose any money. Also, his name is Tony Batista, not Bastilla, my mistake. To take it back to the original point of this post, do these moves make the Twins worry you in '06? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(Damen @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 03:07 PM) To take it back to the original point of this post, do these moves make the Twins worry you in '06? Thats not the point. The original point was that they have improved, something you thought no one else in the AL Central had done. The fact that they got Luis Castillo to fill a huge hole at second, Rondell White to improve on Jaque Jones, and a full season of Scott Baker and Francisco Liriano, yes, they have improved. And yea, since their pitching staff is so good, they do slightly worry me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 (edited) Nearly all japanese baseball fans ( myself included... it is very interesting to follow) believe he just went over to japan to get steroids out of his system. He really didn't have a desire to be there and never really got along in his short time there. He just pulled a gabe kapler... but signed for a much bigger contract. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Could be roids. I just figured that Batista went to Japan because the Fukuoka Hawks offered him WAY more than any MLB team would have (2-years, $15 million). That's crazy money for a bum like Batista. Edited December 30, 2005 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(Damen @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 02:07 PM) To take it back to the original point of this post, do these moves make the Twins worry you in '06? They will have one of the best pitching staffs in baseball. In other words... yes. They are not a pushover like you are making them out to be. I am figuring ford wil settle in betweem his 2004 and 2005 seasons, castillo will put up .370+ obp, one of morneau or mauer will likely improve...stewart will be better than last year...etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 02:10 PM) Thats not the point. The original point was that they have improved, something you thought no one else in the AL Central had done. The fact that they got Luis Castillo to fill a huge hole at second, Rondell White to improve on Jaque Jones, and a full season of Scott Baker and Francisco Liriano, yes, they have improved. And yea, since their pitching staff is so good, they do slightly worry me. Their projected rotation is Santana Radke Sliva Lohse Baker Liriano will open in the pen or get more seasoning at AAA. They havent traded Lohse yet, so he stays in the rotation. Santana is a stud. We can hit the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 02:13 PM) They will have one of the best pitching staffs in baseball. In other words... yes. They are not a pushover like you are making them out to be. I am figuring ford wil settle in betweem his 2004 and 2005 seasons, castillo will put up .370+ obp, one of morneau or mauer will likely improve...stewart will be better than last year...etc. Mauer needs to stay healthy. He can hit when he is healthy. His power however has not arrived yet. Morneau needs to prove he isnt Russell Branyan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damen Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 02:10 PM) Thats not the point. The original point was that they have improved, something you thought no one else in the AL Central had done. The fact that they got Luis Castillo to fill a huge hole at second, Rondell White to improve on Jaque Jones, and a full season of Scott Baker and Francisco Liriano, yes, they have improved. And yea, since their pitching staff is so good, they do slightly worry me. Actually, that wasn't me who said that, that was someone else. I had said the Sox won't have any problems making the playoffs next year. I see the Twins as modestly improved, but far behind what we have done to our own club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 12:02 PM) The O's won't take Option 1 because they have no need for an expensive, aging pitcher who is in the last year of his contract. However, they might be interested in Option 2. That said, I'd like KW to wait until June or July before he makes another move. If our guys are scoring runs, there's no need to part ways with McCarthy. I don't think the Sox would do option two. That would put payroll around 100 mill and I don't see them doing that. By the way, Alex Woodson pitched in Bristol last year. Maybe he's better than we all think. He was a 16th round selection and must have been at some junior college, because he was originally selected by the A's in 03 out of some high school in Puerto Rico. 1-0, 2.55 ERA in 16 relief apperances. I couldn't tell you one thing about his stuff and I've never heard anyone talk about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam G Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 01:32 PM) They gained a legit leadoff hitter to get on for Mauer and Morneau and middle infielder in Juan Castillo, replaced Jaque Jones with Rondell White (who is arguably better), they will have Francisco Liriano and Scott Baker for an entire season (who are better than Lohse and whoever else they had starting), and they signed Tony Bastilla, who only gets paid if he makes the opening day roster, so its a pretty good signing. I guess it was the "improved dramatically" part of your post that I didnt understand. They may have made some nice under the radar moves, but there's nothing dramatic about their improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 I don't think the Sox would do option two. That would put payroll around 100 mill and I don't see them doing that. By the way, Alex Woodson pitched in Bristol last year. Maybe he's better than we all think. He was a 16th round selection and must have been at some junior college, because he was originally selected by the A's in 03 out of some high school in Puerto Rico. 1-0, 2.55 ERA in 16 relief apperances. I couldn't tell you one thing about his stuff and I've never heard anyone talk about him. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He's also a lefty... http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/W/alex-woodson.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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