qwerty Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Team leaders do not give up on their teams... period. I don't know if tejada did so or not but if he didn't he really sucked in the second half. I mean uribe out ops'd him in the second half. Tejada seems more like the rah rah type of guy rather than the jim thome or konerko type of team leader. Tejada also comes off as a severe douche any time he speaks. I am not fascinated with him at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damen Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 12:33 PM) We dont make the playoffs if McCarthy doesnt step in for El Duque last season. I dont think Felix Diaz can have the same impact if one of the 5 go down. We also barely made the playoffs because our offense was terrible last year, until the playoffs hit. And the Sox also planned on Hernandez not being able to last the course of the season. Their staff now consists of guys who can throw innings consistently. I have full confidence that this team could survive missing 10 or 15 starts from a staff w/o Contreras and still make the playoffs easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 On the depth issue, yes it's a concern but I'm confident they will invite a few guys in who'd be capable of pitching a start or two or three. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Tim Redding!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(Damen @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 01:27 PM) It's a risk I'm willing to take. I think Bajenaru should be ready to enter the majors this year in the pen, and if there's an injury to the SP, you could always move Cotts into the rotation for a few spot starts. And, again, you are increasing the offense the team will be able to generate. We aren't just losing Contreras, we are gaining an elite SS - both at the plate and in the field. Cotts will not be an option to spot start as the team stands now. We have ZERO other MLB LHPs in the pen, and we all know how Ozzie likes to use the lefty on lefty match up. If we had Bmac already in the starting 5, we would dip into the minors for the prospect du jour for a couple of starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 01:41 PM) Cotts will not be an option to spot start as the team stands now. We have ZERO other MLB LHPs in the pen, and we all know how Ozzie likes to use the lefty on lefty match up. If we had Bmac already in the starting 5, we would dip into the minors for the prospect du jour for a couple of starts. And we all know how fun that was in 2004. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 01:42 PM) And we all know how fun that was in 2004. Neal 2k6>>>>>>>>>>Neal 2k4. I have no doubt if Neal went into spring training as a starter, he would be solid at it. I also believe Neal could give a team 60-75 pitches if needed in a spot start, and do a pretty damned good job of it. What I don't see is Ozzie losing his only lefty for 4-5 days, when he could just call up someone from the minors to suck up the innings, and leave the rest of his team in tact for those same 4-5 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 01:44 PM) Neal 2k6>>>>>>>>>>Neal 2k4. I have no doubt if Neal went into spring training as a starter, he would be solid at it. I also believe Neal could give a team 60-75 pitches if needed in a spot start, and do a pretty damned good job of it. What I don't see is Ozzie losing his only lefty for 4-5 days, when he could just call up someone from the minors to suck up the innings, and leave the rest of his team in tact for those same 4-5 days. I agree about Neal. I'm just saying how pathetic that experiment was in 2004. Bringing pitcher after pitcher up to lose every 5th game. We have 6 Major League starters, and nothing even close in the farm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(Damen @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 12:39 PM) We also barely made the playoffs because our offense was terrible last year, until the playoffs hit. And the Sox also planned on Hernandez not being able to last the course of the season. Their staff now consists of guys who can throw innings consistently. I have full confidence that this team could survive missing 10 or 15 starts from a staff w/o Contreras and still make the playoffs easily. While i will agree the sox offense last year was no fun and i never want to see an offense like that again... they were 13th in baseball in runs scored. Sure we were last in baseball in doubles, 23rd in triples... blah blah. Everyone last year was crying about the all or nothing approach and how homeruns are evil. Well, guess what? A homerun is the only hit that is automatically a run up on the board. The sox making the playoffs easily? LOLOLOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damen Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 12:42 PM) And we all know how fun that was in 2004. Because he had a few bad starts in 04, that prevents him from ever being successful again as a starter? I don't think he's got enough variation to be a consistent SP, but I think he could be effective in a few spot starts. And we could always call up Munoz to be a lefty reliever to take his spot. I agree, with Ozzie it's probably unlikely, but I wouldn't mind seeing him get another chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam G Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 12:47 PM) The sox making the playoffs easily? LOLOLOL. It seems to me that we've gotten a lot better and our competition has either stayed put or fallen back. The division is ours for the taking, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(Adam G @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 02:02 PM) It seems to me that we've gotten a lot better and our competition has either stayed put or fallen back. The division is ours for the taking, IMO. So are you saying that Minnesota hasn't done anything, although they have improved dramatically over last years team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 01:42 PM) And we all know how fun that was in 2004. Garcia Vazquez Contreras/McCarthy vs. Loiaza Schoeneweis Wright Any noticable difference in reliablility/endurance of these two groups? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(3E8 @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 02:13 PM) Garcia Vazquez Contreras/McCarthy vs. Loiaza Schoeneweis Wright Any noticable difference in reliablility/endurance of these two groups? Yes, we're better off now. I still don't want to imagine what happens if there were to be an injury. We have no legit backup plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Greasy, to answer your question before: We're paying our starters enough money to the point where you can't play the "what if" game. Yes, injuries are a part of the game. However, if you have a chip like Contreras, which can bring you a SUPERSTAR offensive player for 162 games, then I'm all for the deal. Even if we only have 4 of our 5 starters for a majority of the season, those 4 starters are good enough where I think this team can be successful (as long as we get some offensive production). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Yes, we're better off now. I still don't want to imagine what happens if there were to be an injury. We have no legit backup plan. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Tim Redding. :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 01:18 PM) Yes, we're better off now. I still don't want to imagine what happens if there were to be an injury. We have no legit backup plan. I trust that KW would have a 6th option in mind. He always has options up the ying yang. If he traded our 6th SP, I know that I will rest easy knowing that KW will have a 6th option in mind. KW has about every senario worked out, I believe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Hopefully it'd never even come into play, but I'm very comfortable with where we our with our pitching situation right now. I'm having trouble getting excited about losing that; I don't want to lose that asset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Crap, this thing has grown from 2 pages to 15 today. Is there actually any news in all of this? Someone please help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam G Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 01:08 PM) So are you saying that Minnesota hasn't done anything, although they have improved dramatically over last years team? They have? Rondell White and Luis Castillo? Edited December 30, 2005 by Adam G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(Adam G @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 02:28 PM) They have? They gained a legit leadoff hitter to get on for Mauer and Morneau and middle infielder in Juan Castillo, replaced Jaque Jones with Rondell White (who is arguably better), they will have Francisco Liriano and Scott Baker for an entire season (who are better than Lohse and whoever else they had starting), and they signed Tony Bastilla, who only gets paid if he makes the opening day roster, so its a pretty good signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 02:27 PM) Crap, this thing has grown from 2 pages to 15 today. Is there actually any news in all of this? Someone please help. This is the only real "news" to come out of this. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...dpost&p=1002133 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Crap, this thing has grown from 2 pages to 15 today. Is there actually any news in all of this? Someone please help. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The shady rumor site has a rumor about the Sox and Tejada... http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2005/12/white_sox_make_.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Thanks, greasy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 They gained a legit leadoff hitter to get on for Mauer and Morneau and middle infielder in Juan Castillo, replaced Jaque Jones with Rondell White (who is arguably better), they will have Francisco Liriano and Scott Baker for an entire season (who are better than Lohse and whoever else they had starting), and they signed Tony Bastilla, who only gets paid if he makes the opening day roster, so its a pretty good signing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Justin Morneau hasn't shown too much yet. Last season, the Twins were batting him way down low in their order because he was struggling so bad. And Tony Batista stinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 02:37 PM) Justin Morneau hasn't shown too much yet. Last season, the Twins were batting him way down low in their order because he was struggling so bad. With another good OBP guy at the top of the order, he will benefit. And Tony Batista stinks. Yea, but considering that they basically got him for free, it isn't that bad a move, and he could surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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