Guest JimH Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Well put. I find it astounding that I'm getting jumped on for even suggesting that the Sox might want to hold off on Anderson while going for another title. Taveres is very good defensively and has great speed on the bases. I think that the Sox could benefit from another Podsednik-like player. They need more than one person that can be a threat on the bases, especially considering that their #2 base-stealer is now in Philly. If the price is low enough, why not trade for Taveres? If Anderson isn't ready for major-league pitching yet, Taveres is a great insurance policy. If he turns out to be a bust, he can ride the pine (for the league minimum) and Anderson can play. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Guillen has been saying he wants more speed too. That's why I think there may be some substance to this ... or a similar scenario where they'd acquire someone with speed and also some bullpen help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:20 PM) Everyone on this site (practically) complained about Dye being injury prone, well he made it through 2005 unscathed but wouldn't Anderson fit nicely in RF if something happened to Dye. Mackowiak... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Mackowiak... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well this is true, no question, but Mackowiak can't play all the backup spots. They got him primarily as a fall back for Crede. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Tavares hits RH so I'm not sure how a platoon would work. They have very little CF depth, it would be nice to have 2 speedy guys who can play it, just in case there's an injury. Everyone on this site (practically) complained about Dye being injury prone, well he made it through 2005 unscathed but wouldn't Anderson fit nicely in RF if something happened to Dye. It is not ideal to have a good prospect slide in as a 4th OF but so many things happen during a baseball season it can work. Putting it another way I would rather have Anderson as the #4 than Borchard. But that's just me. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Doh, I was thinking that Taveras was a lefty. My bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirScott Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 04:21 PM) Either way, if the Sox truly are thinking of trading Contreras for Taveras they had also better get a proven reliever like Chad Qualls and a pitching prospect like Jason Hirsh or Troy Patton. which is highly possible, it was mentioned before that Contreras' value is higher than Taveras'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirScott Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 04:21 PM) Guillen has been saying he wants more speed too. That's why I think there may be some substance to this ... or a similar scenario where they'd acquire someone with speed and also some bullpen help. I was going to mention Guillen wanting speed as well, but in a 16-page thread I figured this was mentioned already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 which is highly possible, it was mentioned before that Contreras' value is higher than Taveras'. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Contreras for Taveras, Qualls, and Hirsh/Patton. It's the only way I wouldn't b**** about this rumored trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 04:25 PM) Contreras for Taveras, Qualls, and Hirsh/Patton. It's the only way I wouldn't b**** about this rumored trade. I still would, simply because trading for Taveras means Anderson wouldn't get a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted December 31, 2005 Author Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:25 PM) Contreras for Taveras, Qualls, and Hirsh/Patton. It's the only way I wouldn't b**** about this rumored trade. That would be the only way i would like that trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 All because of a rumor from f***ing mlbtraderumors.com? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 This whole thread is based on a rumor which most likely isn't true. One thing that isn't mentioned at all is KW's fondness for Brian Anderson. He loves the guy. As KW has mentioned, he would have to be overwhelmed to trade Contreras. I don't think Taveras, Qualls and a prospect is overwhelming. If Anderson is as good as KW thinks he is, Taveras would see as much time as Harris or Timo, virtually none. The prospect probably wouldn't help in 2006, so basically stretching the payroll to cement a new era on the South Side would net you Qualls for Contreras in 2006. It ain't happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted December 31, 2005 Author Share Posted December 31, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:27 PM) All because of a rumor from f***ing mlbtraderumors.com? I know i figured 8 pages at most. Edited December 31, 2005 by sayitaintso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank the Tank 35 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Can we poo-poo this yet? Just my opinion, but if the Sox aren't getting a huge offensive upgrade like a Tejada, then I think JC gets moved (if at all) for pen help/top sp prospects (6th man ala BMac '05). If we're trading with Houston, JC for Qualls and/or Wheeler with a couple prospects, call it a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(sayitaintso @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 02:21 PM) Why would we trade for taveres to sit him or play him just incase BA doesn't do so well? Because... (1) Anderson has little MLB experience and the Sox aren't "rebuilding." Developing young players isn't a priority this year. (2) Taveras is very good defensively in CF and can play LF or RF as well (3) Taveras can steal 30+ bases, something that this team could really use (4) Anderson is a question mark against MLB pitching, while Taveras has proven that he won't be a liability at the end of the lineup. QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 02:21 PM) Either way, if the Sox truly are thinking of trading Contreras for Taveras they had also better get a proven reliever like Chad Qualls and a pitching prospect like Jason Hirsh or Troy Patton. Agreed. FWIW, I don't think the trade will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 04:27 PM) All because of a rumor from f***ing mlbtraderumors.com? There were also 16 on Carl Crawford, based on the same site http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=44000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:27 PM) All because of a rumor from f***ing mlbtraderumors.com? I was thinking the same thing. We should create a website and make crazy s*** up about the Red Sox and watch the sonsofsamhorn board go crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 All because of a rumor from f***ing mlbtraderumors.com? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:30 PM) There were also 16 on Carl Crawford, based on the same site http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=44000 I forgot about that, Carl Crawford for Josh Fields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Hopefully my last post in this thread.. its become a joke. QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 04:30 PM) (1) Anderson has little MLB experience and the Sox aren't "rebuilding." Developing young players isn't a priority this year. Are you blind, or just have a 3 second memory? The Astros had Taveras as their starting CF all of last year, were they aiming for rebuilding? We had Bobby Jenks as our closer in the toughest spots of the year, were we rebuildingthen ? We had McCarthy take the spot of El Duque last year, were we rebuilding then? (2) Taveras is very good defensively in CF and can play LF or RF as well As is Brian Anderson, whats the point of trading for something you already have? (3) Taveras can steal 30+ bases, something that this team could really use We were 4th in the majors last year in SBs.. we need more? (4) Anderson is a question mark against MLB pitching, while Taveras has proven that he won't be a liability at the end of the lineup. a.) As is Taveras, AGAIN, look at him outside of Minute Maid Park. b.) If he comes to Chicago, he'll be batting second, not 9th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 As to Taveras' .291 batting average, didn't Mike Caruso hit .300 his rookie year with the White Sox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 As to Taveras' .291 batting average, didn't Mike Caruso hit .300 his rookie year with the White Sox? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> AVG isn't overrated. OBP and SLG aren't more important than AVG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted December 31, 2005 Author Share Posted December 31, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:30 PM) Because... (1) Anderson has little MLB experience and the Sox aren't "rebuilding." Developing young players isn't a priority this year. (2) Taveras is very good defensively in CF and can play LF or RF as well (3) Taveras can steal 30+ bases, something that this team could really use (4) Anderson is a question mark against MLB pitching, while Taveras has proven that he won't be a liability at the end of the lineup. Agreed. FWIW, I don't think the trade will happen. 1.You said yourself that taveres also has little mlb experience, 2.anderson is susposed to be as good if not better than rowand in terms of fielding or range and can play all outfield positions, 3.anderson won't steal 30 bags, but is capable of rowand speed, 4.he hasn;t played often so of course he would be a ? vs. mlb pitching, but he did own felix "the cat" hernandez. Edited December 31, 2005 by sayitaintso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 (edited) On the other board someone there claims Phil Rogers said on the Score that he believes Tejada will be traded to the Sox next week. Anyone hear this? Edited December 31, 2005 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 On the other board someone there claims Phil Rogers said on the Score that he believes Tejada will be traded to the Sox next week. Anyone hear this? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted December 31, 2005 Author Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:44 PM) On the other board someone there claims Phil Rogers said on the Score that he believes Tejada will be traded to the Sox next week. Anyone hear this? i heard that,it was on the whitesox.com message board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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