SSH2005 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Just a FWIW on Taveras. The guy had a .325 OBP in 2005 with a 103/25 K/BB ratio. Aaron Rowand in 2005 had a .329 OBP. Don't forget in 2005, Rowand was a main target of the Sox fans anger for not performing better then they should on offense. Basically from those 2, all Taveras offers you are some extra stolen bases. Anderson can be a Jacque Jones like player, and at the Cell he could probably hit at least 15-20 HR's for 2006. Sure he'll K a lot, but there's a reason KW kept him and traded Chris Young, they like him. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And Jock Jones-type production is pretty good from center field. It just sucks from right field where the Cubs will have him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawnhillegas Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 06:02 PM) And Jock Jones-type production is pretty good from center field. It just sucks from right field where the Cubs will have him. and it sucks to pay 5 million a year for it instead of 350,000 dollars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 and it sucks to pay 5 million a year for it instead of 350,000 dollars <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That too. I love this... Jermaine Dye: 3-years, $15 million (assuming we pick up his $6 million option in 2007) Jock Jones: 3-years, $16 million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted January 1, 2006 Author Share Posted January 1, 2006 QUOTE(shawnhillegas @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 05:57 PM) all ive learned in reading this thread is that WCSox has a man crush on willie taveras and that juan pierre and sammy sosa have the best arms in baseball. LOL that's pretty much it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 (edited) An interesting note is that Willy Taveras is a Boras client, although he will still be cheap for years regardless. Edited January 1, 2006 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 11:35 PM) An interesting note is that Willy Taveras is a Boras client, although he will still be cheap for years regardless. But come on! He'll make millions and millions through arbitration because he's soooooooooo good!!!1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted January 1, 2006 Author Share Posted January 1, 2006 QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 11:32 PM) But come on! He'll make millions and millions through arbitration because he's soooooooooo good!!!1 WCSox thinks he is the best thing since sliced bread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Idonno why u guys are trying to make dumb jokes like he sucks.... he just had a great rookie season when he started from begining to end so pitchers had time to adjust to him and he still did a pretty good job. He wasnt amazing or anything but being at the top of the order your rookie season is no easy feat. For example look how our old prized prospect Jeremy Reed did when they tried to bat him at the top and thats with the luxury of having a great hitter like Ichiro ahead of you. And Reed was apposed to be much more ready for the big leagues than Tavares. That being said on this team I have no interest in him at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jan 1, 2006 -> 01:09 AM) Idonno why u guys are trying to make dumb jokes like he sucks.... he just had a great rookie season when he started from begining to end so pitchers had time to adjust to him and he still did a pretty good job. He wasnt amazing or anything but being at the top of the order your rookie season is no easy feat. If you could explain to me how a .666 OPS, 20 XBH, and 103 K's (while playing in one of the biggest hitters parks in the league) is a great rookie season, that would be great. Oh, and just for fun. Out of all the batters with 400 or more plate appearances, guess who has the least amount of extra base hits? You guessed it! Its Willy! For example look how our old prized prospect Jeremy Reed did when they tried to bat him at the top and thats with the luxury of having a great hitter like Ichiro ahead of you. And Reed was apposed to be much more ready for the big leagues than Tavares. Do you know where Reed was playing? He was in Safeco, a major pitchers park, and yet he still had a better year than Taveras (.674 OPS compared to .666). He had 39 XBH, and had a much more reasonable BB:K ratio (48:74). Edited January 1, 2006 by Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 I dont give a damn about his OPS... when your hitting at the top of the order all I care is you getting on base. And yes for a rookie it was a great season considering most rookies dont do that well when they first make it to the big leagues. If im right he made the jump from AA so whats to think he wont improve greatly considering how well he did his first season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jan 1, 2006 -> 12:31 AM) I dont give a damn about his OPS... when your hitting at the top of the order all I care is you getting on base. And yes for a rookie it was a great season considering most rookies dont do that well when they first make it to the big leagues. If im right he made the jump from AA so whats to think he wont improve greatly considering how well he did his first season. I'm with you 100 percent on Taveras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pods70Rowand33 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 As the person said earlier, he was at AA the previous season. I think he's a great player, he's got an arm, and he did terrific in his first full season at the majors. He's fast, which is what they were looking to add. and he could bat #2 or even leadoff if they wanted him to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jan 1, 2006 -> 08:02 PM) I'm with you 100 percent on Taveras. Of course the OBP he had was about .326, but that should improve in the future depending on whether the Astros actually decide to bat him leadoff instead of Craig Biggio. He does need to improve his plate discipline in a big way though. You could go either way on Taveras. He could turn into a Juan Pierre (in his good seasons) and be better defensively, of he could just stay at the current level at where he is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 A few things: *At first glance, I didn't think Taveras would be a good fit. Yet he did have better OBP numbers in the minors. He should improve upon his .325 of '05. It's esp. tough for a rookie to hit leadoff. *He could be a backup leadoff man in case Pods got injured. But more likley to hit #9, possibly #2. Both Rowand and BA are different type hitters. *Anderson could start in AAA and be ready to step in if Dye, Pods or Taveras got injured. If Dye gets hurt, is Sweeney ready to play everyday? Not likely. We'd be looking at having Borchard be the everyday RFer. If Pods gets hurt, is Owens ready? I think both are a year away from helping. *His speed fits in with what Ozzie publicly has said he was looking for--esp SB, but also defensively *I'd be interested in seeing how many XBH's Pods had. My guess is pretty comparable to Taveras *Taveras wouldn't and shouldn't be the only piece of a trade. A bigger peice would be a guy like Qualls [who could be as valuable as Politte or Hermanson in set up and locked up cheaply for a few yrs] and/or a prospect like Hirsh or Patton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Taveras's OBP back in the minors was very respectable from 2002-2004, as he progressed one level a yr. It was .120 over his avg, in 02 and .99 over his avg. in 03. Having over a .400 OBP in AA is nice. That he skipped AAA and posted numbers like a avg of .291 and OBP of .325, shows he has potential to improve in his second yr. http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/T/willy-taveras.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Just looking at Taveras again, and against righties in 2005 he had splits of .312/.344/.351 while against lefties he only had splits of .233/.272/.314. So there is the option of platooning him, however Anderson didn't do well against lefties in his brief time up, but remember, that is WAY too short of a sample size to go on. Taveras's bad away splits though .252/.282/.289 are a bit worrying to say the least though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jan 1, 2006 -> 12:19 PM) Just looking at Taveras again, and against righties in 2005 he had splits of .312/.344/.351 while against lefties he only had splits of .233/.272/.314. So there is the option of platooning him, however Anderson didn't do well against lefties in his brief time up, but remember, that is WAY too short of a sample size to go on. Taveras's bad away splits though .252/.282/.289 are a bit worrying to say the least though. I'd expect his splits to be worse vs RHP, which they weren't. Yet the sample size of one yr is small for a lot of his stats/splits, Taveras in his 2nd yr should improve. Whether that's enough to trade for him, who knows. that's what the sox scouts and coaching staff get paid to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jan 1, 2006 -> 01:31 AM) I dont give a damn about his OPS... when your hitting at the top of the order all I care is you getting on base. And yes for a rookie it was a great season considering most rookies dont do that well when they first make it to the big leagues. If im right he made the jump from AA so whats to think he wont improve greatly considering how well he did his first season. So again, how is having a .325 OBP (and .282 OBP on the road) a great season? And I don't really care what your role is on a team, but to have only 20 XBH (13 being doubles) throughout the ENTIRE year (nearly 600 at bats) while playing in one of the biggest hitters parks in the league, is downright pathetic. Hell, even Podsednik had 29, and he didn't hit anything but doubles (and one triple). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Guys like Taveras are always available. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't think so. Every team in the league wants guy like this. He plays a very good CF, can run, is young, etc. He's not the 4th OF you're portraying him to be, he is better than that. Personally I would like to see the Sox get this guy. I keep coming back to Guillen saying he wants more speed, maybe Owens is the 4th OF. Who knows but it's interesting to kick around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 QUOTE(JimH @ Jan 1, 2006 -> 09:42 AM) I don't think so. Every team in the league wants guy like this. He plays a very good CF, can run, is young, etc. He's not the 4th OF you're portraying him to be, he is better than that. Personally I would like to see the Sox get this guy. I keep coming back to Guillen saying he wants more speed, maybe Owens is the 4th OF. Who knows but it's interesting to kick around. Unfortunately I will have top agree with you again. I will say I would also like a pitcher in return as well. The Whitesox scouts saw alot of tavaras in october and OZzie saw him for four tough games. I would also like to see him in the lineup. Something will happen soon. I can smell it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Unfortunately I will have top agree with you again. I will say I would also like a pitcher in return as well. The Whitesox scouts saw alot of tavaras in october and OZzie saw him for four tough games. I would also like to see him in the lineup. Something will happen soon. I can smell it! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, I can smell it too, I hope it's not your breakfast coming back up on you. You needn't feel bad about agreeing with me, you are just seeing the light! Happy New Year to you and the family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilCan Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Lance Berkman, anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 QUOTE(Felix @ Jan 1, 2006 -> 02:42 PM) So again, how is having a .325 OBP (and .282 OBP on the road) a great season? And I don't really care what your role is on a team, but to have only 20 XBH (13 being doubles) throughout the ENTIRE year (nearly 600 at bats) while playing in one of the biggest hitters parks in the league, is downright pathetic. Hell, even Podsednik had 29, and he didn't hit anything but doubles (and one triple). Taveras having the rookie yr he did is a very good season [not great, but very good]. Looking at his track record in the minors, he's done and could possibly give the sox what they have been said to be looking for [at least Ozzie]---speed, OBP, hit for avg, good defense, ability to hit near or at the top of the order. As far as looking at the warts on Cindy crawford's face [the poor splits on the road, avg. vs one handed pitchers, etc] --you can always find faults with a guy. Taveras does have skills. More than I thought after looking at him a little closer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 As far as looking at the warts on Cindy crawford's face <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Good one, nice line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 QUOTE(JimH @ Jan 1, 2006 -> 02:42 PM) Every team in the league wants guy like this. He plays a very good CF, can run, is young, etc. He's not the 4th OF you're portraying him to be, he is better than that. The question then becomes, if Willy has the skills set and upside that he seems to have, why would Houston give him up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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