Felix Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:58 PM) Who said that he would replace Pods as a leadoff hitter? No one, but if Taveras were to hit anywhere but the leadoff spot, that team would have serious issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 01:58 PM) No one is overating anderson. You are the one that does not even want to give him a chance. I'm sorry, are the Sox rebuilding and developing young players this year? I must've missed the memo. :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Seriously, Taveras is not that great. I would rather have Anderson IMO. This trade sounds like crap coming out of a reporters ass. I dont doubt that Houston may have offered this deal, but I dont think KW, after trading his starting Cf from last year, because of his confidence in the newcomer ( a player he Drafted!!!) and just unload a top of the rotation SP for ANOTHER young Cf'er. It doesnt make sense, and this guy is full of s***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 02:55 PM) LMFAO at the homers who are "overrating" a player who hasn't really played in the majors yet. They aren't overrating BA. They are just rating him higher that WT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 01:59 PM) No one, but if Taveras were to hit anywhere but the leadoff spot, that team would have serious issues. WTF are you talking about? Why couldn't he hit 9th? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 (edited) Who said that he would replace Pods as a leadoff hitter? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Okay, OBP would still mean more than AVG if Taveras was a #2 hitter. And don't give me the #9 hitter BS. If we traded for Taveras, he would bat second for us. Edited December 31, 2005 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:59 PM) I'm sorry, are the Sox rebuilding and developing young players this year? I must've missed the memo. :rolly AGAIN, were the Astros rebuilding and developing young players last year? They ended up in the World Series with Taveras as their CF for the whole year.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 02:58 PM) Who said that he would replace Pods as a leadoff hitter? He batted lead-off last year no? That is what they are trying to groom him to become no? That is what he was in the minors no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 AGAIN, were the Astros rebuilding and developing young players last year? They ended up in the World Series with Taveras as their CF for the whole year.. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Astros even had a tiny bit higher payroll than us last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 I just hate how people can pigeon hole a player based on a couple stats. If we looked at stats we wouldn't have acquired Juan Uribe. He's not a statiticians dream but what he is is a very talented shortstop that can play some defense and hit for power (and I think we'll continue to see him develop offensively). Sure Uribe has flaws, but I for one am glad we traded a stat type player (Aaron Miles) for a scouts type of guy (Juan Uribe). In general, good baseball players with skills are an asset to a club. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, exactly. If they are looking at this guy and considering him in a trade, there is something about him the White Sox scouts like. I was impressed watching him last year, he is a heads up ballplayer. He doesn't walk enough and strikes out a bit too much but again as you say, he might not be a statisticians dream but he's got something to offer. Again, not a knock on Anderson but I think this has legs because they love players like Tavares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:59 PM) WTF are you talking about? Why couldn't he hit 9th? He would not be effective as a #9 hitter. As a #9 hitter, you get no protection, someone like Taveras desperately needs protection.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False Alarm Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 (edited) taveras = empty batting average. see uribe, juan from 2004 to 2005. the BA of players like that (free swingers) typically fluctuates pretty wildly from season to season across a 80-point spectrum. dunno what taveras's minor-leagus stats are and whether last year was more median or outlier, but he's suspect based off his line. and minor-league stats are reasonably translatable. anderson'll have a better OBP (relative to his average) than taveras and a ton more power. i'll take my chances that he learns to make contact (he's adjusted quickly in that regard at every level [and it's not like rowand didn't strike out a ton himself]). since anderson's also reputed to be a plus defender, i see no reason to replace him with taveras. Edited December 31, 2005 by False Alarm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted December 31, 2005 Author Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 02:55 PM) LMFAO at the homers who are "overrating" a player who hasn't really played in the majors yet. You just said that you wanted to give CF to a proven major leaguer and not BA and suggested tavares, but then said that tavares does not have that much major league experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 02:00 PM) AGAIN, were the Astros rebuilding and developing young players last year? They ended up in the World Series with Taveras as their CF for the whole year.. Perhaps you forgot that they started 15-30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 04:03 PM) Perhaps you forgot that they started 15-30. Perhaps you forgot where they ended up.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 02:59 PM) I'm sorry, are the Sox rebuilding and developing young players this year? I must've missed the memo. :rolly Yes, you are correct. No team in the history of baseball that has made the playoffs or won the world series went on to have a rookie start for them the following year. Ohh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:59 PM) I'm sorry, are the Sox rebuilding and developing young players this year? I must've missed the memo. :rolly <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I suppose Brandon McCarthy should be sent to the curb as well? Why should we let him develop this year either? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirScott Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 04:00 PM) He batted lead-off last year no? That is what they are trying to groom him to become no? That is what he was in the minors no? if you remember all the way back to the World Series, Taveras was batting 2nd for the 'Stros, on account that he only walked 25 times in 592 ABs in the regular season and Biggio was a better OBP guy. so's Pods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:05 PM) I suppose Brandon McCarthy should be sent to the curb as well? Why should we let him develop this year either? I say we trade him off for someone who is more proven. Brandon backe anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 02:02 PM) He would not be effective as a #9 hitter. As a #9 hitter, you get no protection, someone like Taveras desperately needs protection.. What "protection" does Taveras need? Protection from walks? Hell, you WANT to put Taveras on base. He stole 34 last year! I'm not saying that Anderson is going to be a bust and I wish the guy all the luck in the world. But if the Sox could get a CF with more than 13 games of ML experience who is very good defensively, has great speed on the bases, and isn't a liability at the plate, I think they'd be better off. He could bat 9th if needed. It would have to be for the right price, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted December 31, 2005 Author Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:05 PM) I suppose Brandon McCarthy should be sent to the curb as well? Why should we let him develop this year either? Yeah we should kick him to the curb..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(AirScott @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:06 PM) if you remember all the way back to the World Series, Taveras was batting 2nd for the 'Stros, on account that he only walked 25 times in 592 ABs in the regular season and Biggio was a better OBP guy. so's Pods. Ok... well like i said he still batted in the lead-off spot the majority of the year ( over 500 times). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 02:05 PM) I suppose Brandon McCarthy should be sent to the curb as well? Why should we let him develop this year either? He's already been booted out of the rotation in favor of proven talent (Vasquez). Thanks for proving my point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Contreras has a much higher value that Taveras, and KW isnt really in the business of aquiring another half prospect to replace a new CF that HE DRAFTED. This is seriously the worst rumor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:08 PM) He's already been booted out of the rotation in favor of proven talent (Vasquez). Thanks for proving my point! EH,the season hasnt started yet. I wouldnt believe everything you hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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