SSH2005 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 (edited) What "protection" does Taveras need? Protection from walks? Hell, you WANT to put Taveras on base. He stole 34 last year! I'm not saying that Anderson is going to be a bust and I wish the guy all the luck in the world. But if the Sox could get a CF with more than 13 games of ML experience who is very good defensively, has great speed on the bases, and isn't a liability at the plate, I think they'd be better off. He could bat 9th if needed. It would have to be for the right price, of course. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The problem is that Taveras doesn't get on base enough because his OBP sucks! He doesn't draw enough walks! Edited December 31, 2005 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted December 31, 2005 Author Share Posted December 31, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:08 PM) He's already been booted out of the rotation in favor of proven talent (Vasquez). Thanks for proving my point! No, as a back up plan for when we all figured jon would leave after next year, and assuming the count would stay so we would have 5 starters and not 4. Thats why we traded for him. BMac would be penciled in in place of whoever left. Edited December 31, 2005 by sayitaintso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 He's already been booted out of the rotation in favor of proven talent (Vasquez). Thanks for proving my point! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If Contreras is traded, McCarthy will be in the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 04:08 PM) He's already been booted out of the rotation in favor of proven talent (Vasquez). Thanks for proving my point! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ...but now we have a question mark in the bullpen! ...and if we trade Contreras he'll move into the rotation making it a question mark in the rotation and a hole in the bullpen! But it's all good as long as we erase that question mark in CF with a "proven" .291 hitter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:08 PM) He's already been booted out of the rotation in favor of proven talent (Vasquez). Thanks for proving my point! Yet you're advocating a trade of Contreras for Tavarez + something. This would put McCarthy back into the rotation and hence we'd have unproven talent at a very important position. Wouldn't you rather keep Contrera (proven talent) in the rotation and McCarthy in the pen? We did win the WS last year afterall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:07 PM) What "protection" does Taveras need? Protection from walks? Hell, you WANT to put Taveras on base. He stole 34 last year! I'm not saying that Anderson is going to be a bust and I wish the guy all the luck in the world. But if the Sox could get a CF with more than 13 games of ML experience who is very good defensively, has great speed on the bases, and isn't a liability at the plate, I think they'd be better off. He could bat 9th if needed. It would have to be for the right price, of course. What are we really looking for from our centerfielder this year? Either way anderson is very good defensively. He will be one of our three fastest guys... he is a good base runner... just not a base stealer. He will struggle with the bat but in the end all that the sox are looking for is really good defense from him, which they will get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 What "protection" does Taveras need? Protection from walks? Hell, you WANT to put Taveras on base. He stole 34 last year! I'm not saying that Anderson is going to be a bust and I wish the guy all the luck in the world. But if the Sox could get a CF with more than 13 games of ML experience who is very good defensively, has great speed on the bases, and isn't a liability at the plate, I think they'd be better off. He could bat 9th if needed. It would have to be for the right price, of course. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exactly. Well put. Again, no knock at Anderson but if the White Sox are sniffing around Tavares it's for a reason. Remember most of the OF was pretty healthy last year. Anderson can play all three OF positions, he'd fit nicely for Dye if something happened to Jermaine. Something to think about, and my guess is the White Sox are doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted December 31, 2005 Author Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:10 PM) ...but now we have a question mark in the bullpen! ...and if we trade Contreras he'll move into the rotation making it a question mark in the rotation and a hole in the bullpen! But it's all good as long as we erase that question mark in CF with a "proven" .291 hitter! EXACTLY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Bobby Jenks did ok for being a rookie...Sox seemed comfortable in giving him a shot, just like they seem comfortable in giving BA a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Yet you're advocating a trade of Contreras for Tavarez + something. This would put McCarthy back into the rotation and hence we'd have unproven talent at a very important position. Wouldn't you rather keep Contrera (proven talent) in the rotation and McCarthy in the pen? We did win the WS last year afterall. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This dude is running himself into comical circles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted December 31, 2005 Author Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(sircaffey @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:12 PM) Bobby Jenks did ok for being a rookie...Sox seemed comfortable in giving him a shot, just like they seem comfortable in giving BA a shot. But we need a proven talent to be a closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Exactly. Well put. Again, no knock at Anderson but if the White Sox are sniffing around Tavares it's for a reason. Remember most of the OF was pretty healthy last year. Anderson can play all three OF positions, he'd fit nicely for Dye if something happened to Jermaine. Something to think about, and my guess is the White Sox are doing that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You don't waste a top prospect for a full season in the majors as a fourth outfielder. You may as well keep him at AAA if that's the scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 I find it fitting that we're having this argument with Taveras striking out on 5 pitches with a runner on third when El Duque couldn't find the plate to save his life right now on Comcast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:14 PM) You don't waste a top prospect for a full season in the majors as a fourth outfielder. You may as well keep him at AAA if that's the scenario. Realistically i do not understand this and never will. Players have and will always be eased into the starting role. Believe it or not... not every starter in the majors was always a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted December 31, 2005 Author Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:15 PM) I find it fitting that we're having this argument with Taveras striking out on 5 pitches with a runner on third when El Duque couldn't find the plate to save his life right now on Comcast. Sweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted December 31, 2005 Author Share Posted December 31, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(qwerty @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:15 PM) Realistically i do not understand this and never will. Players have and will always be eased into the starting role. Believe it or not... not every starter in the majors was always a starter. Roger Clemens was always a starter except for 2 relief appearances. Edited December 31, 2005 by sayitaintso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 You don't waste a top prospect for a full season in the majors as a fourth outfielder. You may as well keep him at AAA if that's the scenario. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well they seem to think he's ready to contribute at the major league level. So I doubt he'll be at AAA but anything is possible. With the way Guillen manipulates the lineup, he'd be in there a lot. It would be great depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 (edited) Realistically i do not understand this and never will. Players have and will always be eased into the starting role. Believe it or not... not every starter in the majors was always a starter. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I guess I just think that Anderson would atleast need to be platooned with Taveras in center field. A fourth outfielder doesn't really see much playing time. Edited December 31, 2005 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(sayitaintso @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:16 PM) Roger Clemens was. I am saying position players... along with pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted December 31, 2005 Author Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:17 PM) I am saying position players... along with pitchers. I know, that's the only exception that i know of to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 02:11 PM) Exactly. Well put. Again, no knock at Anderson but if the White Sox are sniffing around Tavares it's for a reason. Remember most of the OF was pretty healthy last year. Anderson can play all three OF positions, he'd fit nicely for Dye if something happened to Jermaine. Something to think about, and my guess is the White Sox are doing that. Well put. I find it astounding that I'm getting jumped on for even suggesting that the Sox might want to hold off on Anderson while going for another title. Taveres is very good defensively and has great speed on the bases. I think that the Sox could benefit from another Podsednik-like player. They need more than one person that can be a threat on the bases, especially considering that their #2 base-stealer is now in Philly. If the price is low enough, why not trade for Taveres? If Anderson isn't ready for major-league pitching yet, Taveres is a great insurance policy. If he turns out to be a bust, he can ride the pine (for the league minimum) and Anderson can play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 I guess I just think that Anderson would atleast need to be platooned with Taveras in center field. A fourth outfielder doesn't really see much playing time. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Tavares hits RH so I'm not sure how a platoon would work. They have very little CF depth, it would be nice to have 2 speedy guys who can play it, just in case there's an injury. Everyone on this site (practically) complained about Dye being injury prone, well he made it through 2005 unscathed but wouldn't Anderson fit nicely in RF if something happened to Dye. It is not ideal to have a good prospect slide in as a 4th OF but so many things happen during a baseball season it can work. Putting it another way I would rather have Anderson as the #4 than Borchard. But that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted December 31, 2005 Author Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:19 PM) Well put. I find it astounding that I'm getting jumped on for even suggesting that the Sox might want to hold off on Anderson while going for another title. Taveres is very good defensively and has great speed on the bases. I think that the Sox could benefit from another Podsednik-like player. They need more than one person that can be a threat on the bases, especially considering that their #2 base-stealer is now in Philly. If the price is low enough, why not trade for Taveres? If Anderson isn't ready for major-league pitching yet, Taveres is a great insurance policy. If he turns out to be a bust, he can ride the pine (for the league minimum) and Anderson can play. Why would we trade for taveres to sit him or play him just incase BA doesn't do so well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirScott Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 04:19 PM) Well put. I find it astounding that I'm getting jumped on for even suggesting that the Sox might want to hold off on Anderson while going for another title. Taveres is very good defensively and has great speed on the bases. I think that the Sox could benefit from another Podsednik-like player. They need more than one person that can be a threat on the bases, especially considering that their #2 base-stealer is now in Philly. If the price is low enough, why not trade for Taveres? If Anderson isn't ready for major-league pitching yet, Taveres is a great insurance policy. If he turns out to be a bust, he can ride the pine (for the league minimum) and Anderson can play. and that's really why this trade could make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Either way, if the Sox truly are thinking of trading Contreras for Taveras they had also better get a proven reliever like Chad Qualls and a pitching prospect like Jason Hirsh or Troy Patton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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