qwerty Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 2, 2006 -> 10:19 PM) Nope. High draft picks don't necessarily equal top prospects. Not everyone is represented by boras so he would still be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 (edited) Not everyone is represented by boras so he would still be right. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I meant more along the lines that high draft picks don't always lead to top prospects. You can still draft busts like Jeff Liefer, Bobby Seay, Jason Dellaero, Jason Stumm, Joe Borchard, and Kris Honel with high draft picks. Obtaining "proven" top prospects from another team is different than trying to draft good players with high draft picks. Edited January 3, 2006 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 2, 2006 -> 11:27 PM) I meant more along the lines that high draft picks don't always lead to top prospects. You can still draft busts like Jeff Liefer, Bobby Seay, Jason Dellaero, Jason Stumm, Joe Borchard, and Kris Honel with high draft picks. Obtaining "proven" top prospects from another team is different than trying to draft good players with high draft picks. And apparently the argument is moot since we won't get picks for him anyways, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 (edited) And apparently the argument is moot since we won't get picks for him anyways, correct? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Apparently, which means there's all the more reason for KW to trade Contreras if he doesn't think that he will be able to re-sign Jose to a reasonable contract extension. Edited January 3, 2006 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jan 2, 2006 -> 05:32 PM) If Uribe's the man, then Tejada is a god. Tejada, as good as he is, is not as cool to watch play as Uribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Tejada, as good as he is, is not as cool to watch play as Uribe. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Defensively, I agree. Uribe is fun to watch on the field. But I'd rather watch Tejada bat third and destroy balls than hope that Uribe returns to his 2004 offensive form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 QUOTE(BobDylan @ Jan 2, 2006 -> 11:57 PM) Tejada, as good as he is, is not as cool to watch play as Uribe. I'll agree with that. Granted, I haven't seen each all that much in person (I saw 2 Sox games last year, one was against the Orioles), but from those games, Uribe is just amazing to watch in person. Tejada, well, not as much. On TV (or computer with MLB.tv), I love watching Uribe field and bat (when he's hot at least ), and again, haven't really seen Tejada that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 QUOTE(BobDylan @ Jan 3, 2006 -> 04:57 AM) Tejada, as good as he is, is not as cool to watch play as Uribe. I don't know about some people, but Uribe's not exactly fun to watch when he goes into his month long slumps at the plate. I like Uribe, but I can't believe some of the statements I've seen on this site about Uribe vs Tejada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 I don't know about some people, but Uribe's not exactly fun to watch when he goes into his month long slumps at the plate. I like Uribe, but I can't believe some of the statements I've seen on this site about Uribe vs Tejada. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 2, 2006 -> 10:27 PM) I meant more along the lines that high draft picks don't always lead to top prospects. You can still draft busts like Jeff Liefer, Bobby Seay, Jason Dellaero, Jason Stumm, Joe Borchard, and Kris Honel with high draft picks. Obtaining "proven" top prospects from another team is different than trying to draft good players with high draft picks. With the recent Sox drafts, I would have all the confidence in the world with 3 picks in the top 50(in all likelyhood...1 from simple draft order, and 2 from Contreras) becoming top prospects. That being said...with Contreras's clause, it appears that wouldn't even be possible. Personally...I don't care either way. Both routes look win-win to me...having a rotation of Buehrle-Contreras-Garcia-Garland-Vazquez is disgusting, and you lose Contreras's contract after the season, so you are gaining some flexibility there. You trade Contreras now, restock the system a little, and have a rotation of Buehrle-Garcia-Garland-Vazquez-McCarthy, and you still have a very good rotation, along with money off the books and a better minor league system. I see nothing wrong with either route. KW's put himself in a wonderful position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jan 2, 2006 -> 11:45 PM) I don't know about some people, but Uribe's not exactly fun to watch when he goes into his month long slumps at the plate. I like Uribe, but I can't believe some of the statements I've seen on this site about Uribe vs Tejada. hahaha, so true, but his defense is great to watch. Plus sometimes you watch him make a play and wonder where the hell he learned that technique. However watching our SS bat in 140 runs during the year would be more fun to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyho7476 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jan 3, 2006 -> 01:35 AM) With the recent Sox drafts, I would have all the confidence in the world with 3 picks in the top 50(in all likelyhood...1 from simple draft order, and 2 from Contreras) becoming top prospects. That being said...with Contreras's clause, it appears that wouldn't even be possible. Personally...I don't care either way. Both routes look win-win to me...having a rotation of Buehrle-Contreras-Garcia-Garland-Vazquez is disgusting, and you lose Contreras's contract after the season, so you are gaining some flexibility there. You trade Contreras now, restock the system a little, and have a rotation of Buehrle-Garcia-Garland-Vazquez-McCarthy, and you still have a very good rotation, along with money off the books and a better minor league system. I see nothing wrong with either route. KW's put himself in a wonderful position. I'm with you on this. If he stays, the starting 5 is sick. If he goes, the starting five is still pretty good. As for Tejada, my biggest worry is the steroid cloud hanging over his head. If he was a roider, then I hope he goes into the s***ter. And I don't want to see him go into the s***ter, when we get him. He's definately one of those guys with a weird shaped head. Reminds me of Sammy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 2, 2006 -> 10:35 PM) hahaha, so true, but his defense is great to watch. Plus sometimes you watch him make a play and wonder where the hell he learned that technique. However watching our SS bat in 140 runs during the year would be more fun to watch. Very much agreed...I still sort of think Uribe's technique is correctable...he's basically making every mistake Andruw Jones made with the bat before changing his stance last year - head flying forward, flying open during the swing, etc. A decent hitting coach, possibly armed with a shotgun aimed at some very painful location on Uribe's body...just might be able to get through to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Bartman's my idol Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 (edited) With all these contrases and uribe for tejada rumors going around, why do most people posting not want to lose uribe. sure hes good and has a bright future, but Miguel Tejada is a former mvp and a stud, he could make us a dynasty <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm with you...anyone who wouldn't want Tejada on their team (unless you are the Yankees) doesn't know anything about baseball. He is arguably one of the top 5 players in baseball. Edited January 3, 2006 by Steve Bartman's my idol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 3, 2006 -> 11:36 AM) I'm with you...anyone who wouldn't want Tejada on their team (unless you are the Yankees) doesn't know anything about baseball. He is arguably one of the top 5 players in baseball. would you still want him if his signing kept us from re-signing Mark B? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 I know people here who know more than I do about this guy say he has a great work ethic, and he is a positive clubhouse guy. But my answer to the question/thread title is still the combination of steroids and the back-and-forth trade request thing. Just a few too many clouds. He is a spectacular player, and would probably be a huge upgrade at SS overall. But I can't get past the baggage he might have. Plus the money he'd cost long-run might preclude re-signing some of the picthing talent like Buerhle, as Rock pointed out. But I am not 100% against it either, for the right deal. His abilities make it really tempting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 What's this "clause" that Contreras has? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jan 3, 2006 -> 12:45 AM) I don't know about some people, but Uribe's not exactly fun to watch when he goes into his month long slumps at the plate. I like Uribe, but I can't believe some of the statements I've seen on this site about Uribe vs Tejada. I don't watch the Orioles except when they play the Sox, so I wonder how much fun it was watching Tejada after the AllStar break last year when he hit 7 home runs and had 38 RBI's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 QUOTE(knightni @ Jan 3, 2006 -> 03:04 PM) What's this "clause" that Contreras has? From what I could tell, it really isn't a clause so much as it is the fact that he signed as an international free agent, thus allowing him to skip over arbitration once his contract expires, thus not allowing the team controlling him to offer him arbitration. This is why the Sox won't be able to get draft picks for Iguchi if they fail to resign him after this season, and why the Yanks wouldn't have gotten draft picks for Matsui had they not resigned him. Please, someone do correct me if I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ Jan 3, 2006 -> 03:30 PM) I don't watch the Orioles except when they play the Sox, so I wonder how much fun it was watching Tejada after the AllStar break last year when he hit 7 home runs and had 38 RBI's. I bet it was close to watching Uribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ Jan 3, 2006 -> 03:30 PM) I don't watch the Orioles except when they play the Sox, so I wonder how much fun it was watching Tejada after the AllStar break last year when he hit 7 home runs and had 38 RBI's. As s***ty as he was doing he was still out there trying to get his teammates asses in gear. Raffy and Sosa killed that team with all their bulls***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 QUOTE(Steff @ Jan 3, 2006 -> 03:50 PM) As s***ty as he was doing he was still out there trying to get his teammates asses in gear. Raffy and Sosa killed that team with all their bulls***. What did they do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jan 3, 2006 -> 09:30 PM) From what I could tell, it really isn't a clause so much as it is the fact that he signed as an international free agent, thus allowing him to skip over arbitration once his contract expires, thus not allowing the team controlling him to offer him arbitration. This is why the Sox won't be able to get draft picks for Iguchi if they fail to resign him after this season, and why the Yanks wouldn't have gotten draft picks for Matsui had they not resigned him. Please, someone do correct me if I'm wrong. Supposedly the clause was written explicitly into Hideki Matsui's contract. From an ESPN article on his signing, Matsui's agent, Arn Tellem, and Yankees general manager Brian Cashman met the Nov. 15 deadline contained in Matsui's first contract with the team. That deal stated that if there was no agreement by then, New York would have to place the outfielder on unconditional release waivers, which would have prevented the Yankees from re-signing him until May 15.I've only read here that a similar clause was included in Contreras's contract. I found this article on international free agents (specifically, Danys Baez) and some of the free agent/arbitration restrictions on their deals. I don't really know if it helps. If there are any lawyers in the house, step forward, b/c the thing just makes my head spin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 3, 2006 -> 04:50 PM) I bet it was close to watching Uribe. Almost identical, just pick a half: Pre All-Star 6 HR, 38 RBI Post Al-Star 10 HR, 33 RBI The only difference is where they bat in the lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 3, 2006 -> 04:50 PM) I bet it was close to watching Uribe. But not as good as watching Uribe plus Contreras. (Plus watching a top prospect in the minors.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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