New Tejada News: O's reportedly make a proposal...

[fathom]

That article did nothing to make me think any differently about KW's effort to try and get Tejada. People should have learned from the past few years that nothing KW says should be taken as "the whole truth".

[greasywheels121]

People should have learned from the past few years that nothing KW says should be taken as "the whole truth".

 

I already said that.

[hammerhead johnson]

What does that have to do with Tejada swinging at every pitch he sees?

 

He is trying to say that Billy Beane has no credibility, and therefore, we should all be skeptical of anything that he says, including his comments in regards to one Miguel Tejada.

 

That's what I got out of it, anyway. I have no freaking clue as to why numerous people in this thread are failing to understand Flash Tizzle's Moneyball-related posts.

[Adam G]

He is trying to say that Billy Beane has no credibility, and therefore, we should all be skeptical of anything that he says, including his comments in regards to one Miguel Tejada. 

So it's an ad hominem, not anyone saying that Tejada does not, in fact, swing at every pitch he sees.

 

I dont really know one way or the other, just reporting what I read.

[White Sox Josh]

I am gonna ask this question right now: Do we really need Miguel Tejada?

[SoxFan1]

I am gonna ask this question right now: Do we really need Miguel Tejada?

If you're gooing to take that road...did we really need any upgrades this off-season? I mean, we won the World Series. I'm sorry but you don't pass up opportunities to significantly upgrade you're team. Even though we'd be paying a pretty penny, we get the top SS in the MLB. And don't doubt KW getting some kind of prospect or reliever from them either. I'm on the Get Tejada bandwagon.

[SoxFan562004]

I just read the tribune article about the Sox and O's Tejada talk, and it's amazing how much they favor the Cubs, and now I know I'm not just being a paranoid Sox fan.

 

The writer was saying things like Sox fans can "forget" about the trade etc... but any slight word that the Cubs may still be alive in talks they run with, it really is amazing.

 

I've learned the last few years to completely disregard whatever KW says to the media and expect anything

[White Sox Josh]

If you're gooing to take that road...did we really need any upgrades this off-season? I mean, we won the World Series. I'm sorry but you don't pass up opportunities to significantly upgrade you're team. Even though we'd be paying a pretty penny, we get the top SS in the MLB. And don't doubt KW getting some kind of prospect or reliever from them either. I'm on the Get Tejada bandwagon.

the sox needed a left handed power hitter and they needed to get rid of Marte. They upgraded the Rotation (you can never have enough pitching). They don't need Miguel Tejada. They should be the favorites to win the AL with or without Tejada.

[JoshPR]

I'm happy with Uribe at short . They can keep Tejada

[nitetrain8601]

the sox needed a left handed power hitter and they needed to get rid of Marte.  They upgraded the Rotation (you can never have enough pitching).  They don't need Miguel Tejada.  They should be the favorites to win the AL with or without Tejada.

 

Is getting rid of Marte really necessary considering we now have no 2nd lefty and likely won't get one nearly as good as Marte next year without paying a heavy penny? Sure, Miguel Tejada is not needed, just like Mackowiak, Thome, and Vaz aren't needed. I mean we've proven we could do it before without them. Tejada would certainly help though.

[RockRaines]

What does that have to do with Tejada swinging at every pitch he sees?

Whats wrong with swinging and hitting with great frequency?? I thought that was the point of the game?

[RockRaines]

So it's an ad hominem, not anyone saying that Tejada does not, in fact, swing at every pitch he sees.

 

I dont really know one way or the other, just reporting what I read.

you used ad hominem twice in one day?? Is that word on your dictionary calendar today?

[heirdog]

you used ad hominem twice in one day??  Is that word on your dictionary calendar today?

 

 

Lol. I thought there was a Soxtalk rule that stated you could use the word "ad hominem" only once per thread. I was saving mine for later.

[Adam G]

Lol.  I thought there was a Soxtalk rule that stated you could use the word "ad hominem" only once per thread.  I was saving mine for later.

Yeah, after I posted I realized that I had already used the term once. Oops.

 

 

*goes back to the dictionary for a new word*

[Adam G]

you used ad hominem twice in one day??  Is that word on your dictionary calendar today?

Sorry, "attack on the person." Same deal.

[RockRaines]

Yeah, after I posted I realized that I had already used the term once.  Oops.

*goes back to the dictionary for a new word*

hahahaaha. Gotta keep a close eye on that.

[Jordan4life_2007]

How many division titles would we have one if we had the current pitching staff with that offense.  I am sorry but when you are marching out a crappy 5th starter that is basically an automatic loss ever couple of games you arent going to win a division with that. 

 

We had a bad offense for most of the year last year.  We had a great pitching staff, great defense and a bad o.  In the playoffs our O got hot at the right time.  But to just say, well lets not get an upgrade to the O because we won last year is a bit short sited.  Planning on Crede who hits at a .240 to .250 clip and Uribe who was so inconsistant they had to work with him over and over to get him to stop spinning like a tasmanian devil at the plate. 

 

If we get Tejada and mix it in our lineup it becomes even better.  We get something we didnt have at all last year, a proven .300 plus hitter who has power.  He makes contact also, which means that when Pods and Gooch are on, Tejada will get the line moving.  It also makes Konerko and Thome better. 

 

How many times did we mess around with the 3 hole last year.  It was a big problem spot.  We can fix that and make our lineup more dangerous.  We can also do this without hurting our pitching or our defense. 

 

Its a great move if we can pull it off.

 

I don't think you're getting what I'm saying. First of all, we never would've had the pitching we had last year in 02, 03 and 04 and still been able to have the same offense. So that's a moot point. Second, I'm not saying anything is wrong with upgrading the offense. The point is that no matter what we do offensively, this team is still built around pitching. This team will go as far in 06 as Buehrle, Garland, Garcia, Vazquez, possibly Contreras and the bullpen take us. We could add Tejada and Pujols for that matter, if the pitching isn't there, or god forbid somebody gets hurt, we won't be repeating in 06. This is as close to fact as it gets.

[GoodAsGould]

I don't think you're getting what I'm saying.  First of all,  we never would've had the pitching we had last year in 02,  03 and 04 and still been able to have the same offense.  So that's a moot point.  Second,  I'm not saying anything is wrong with upgrading the offense.  The point is that no matter what we do offensively,  this team is still built around pitching.  This team will go as far in 06 as Buehrle,  Garland,  Garcia,  Vazquez,  possibly Contreras and the bullpen take us.  We could add Tejada and Pujols for that matter,  if the pitching isn't there,  or god forbid somebody gets hurt,  we won't be repeating in 06.  This is as close to fact as it gets.

 

But what exactly is your point? If we trade Contreras for Tejada we still have good pitching 1-5 in the rotation and our offense would be one of the best in the majors as well. The offense alone would be able to win games for us which is something they couldnt do last season.

[Frank the Tank 35]

I don't feel like starting up a new 30 page topic, but I thought I'd interject this rumor since I had been pondering it before someone posted it on the open mlb Sox forum.

"Kenny(Pittsburgh) Hi Paul! I'm a huge Phillies fan is their any rumors out there about us getting a starting pitcher.

 

Paul White- I have heard that the Phillies might be close to making another trade with Chicago. A source close to the situation has the Sox sending Contreras and several top prospects for Abreu and Madson."

 

Paul White is a USAToday writer. I seem to recall the Phils being interested in Contreras recently, but this deal seems too good to be true unless the Phils are really desperate. Anyway, I mention it here because I see Abreu as a viable option to be traded for Tejada. I know I'm grasping at straws, but I'm just putting it out there, not expecting anything like this to happen. Madson would be an awesome bp arm that could spot start, but I don't see why they'd give him up in any deal. JC for Abreu I could fathom. Abreu+Uribe for Tejada+Chris Ray I could also see as plausible. I just can't see the attendance-minded FO of the O's taking JC for Tejada as much as I'd like to see it happen. Anyway, just an unfounded personal speculation/wish, so easy on the personal attacks.

Edited January 6, 2006 by Frank the Tank 35

[fathom]

That Paul White rumor sounds like a bunch of BS. Contreras for Abreu/Madson wouldn't even work in an XBox trade.

[RME JICO]

I don't feel like starting up a new 30 page topic, but I thought I'd interject this rumor since I had been pondering it before someone posted it on the open mlb Sox forum.

"Kenny(Pittsburgh) Hi Paul! I'm a huge Phillies fan is their any rumors out there about us getting a starting pitcher.

 

Paul White- I have heard that the Phillies might be close to making another trade with Chicago. A source close to the situation has the Sox sending Contreras and several top prospects for Abreu and Madson."

 

Paul White is a USAToday writer.  I seem to recall the Phils being interested in Contreras recently, but this deal seems too good to be true unless the Phils are really desperate.  Anyway, I mention it here because I see Abreu as a viable option to be traded for Tejada.  I know I'm grasping  at straws, but I'm just putting it out there, not expecting anything like this to happen.  Madson would be an awesome bp arm that could spot start, but I don't see why they'd give him up in any deal.  JC for Abreu I could fathom.  Abreu+Uribe for Tejada+Chris Ray I could also see as plausible.  I just can't see the attendance-minded FO of the O's taking JC for Tejada as much as I'd like to see it happen.  Anyway, just an unfounded personal speculation/wish, so easy on the personal attacks.

Then wouldn't it just make more sense to do a 3 team trade:

 

Sox get Tejada, Ray, and Madson

Phils get Count + Sox prospects

O's get Abreu + Uribe

Edited January 6, 2006 by RME JICO

[Flash Tizzle]

Then wouldn't it just make more sense to do a 3 team trade:

 

Sox get Tejada, Ray, and Madson

Phils get Count + Sox prospects

O's get Abreu + Uribe

 

Doesn't help the Orioles pitching situation. Infact, they're worse afterwards. Phillies aren't exactly receiving equal value for Abreu/Madson, either. Contreras would have to be added with a TOP Sox prospect. How many of those are left?

[Milkman delivers]

Doesn't help the Orioles pitching situation. Infact, they're worse afterwards. Phillies aren't exactly receiving equal value for Abreu/Madson, either. Contreras would have to be added with a TOP Sox prospect. How many of those are left?

 

The Orioles are a stupid, stupid organization. They wanted to get pitching to appease Tejada, it sounded like. If they're getting rid of Tejada, they might still be dumb enough to think that more offense will solve their problems.

 

It just seemed like they only got interested in pitching to make their SS happy. But, if they're going to trade that player, they might just be bad enough of an organization to try for more offense.

[Jordan4life_2007]

But what exactly is your point?  If we trade Contreras for Tejada we still have good pitching 1-5 in the rotation and our offense would be one of the best in the majors as well.  The offense alone would be able to win games for us which is something they couldnt do last season.

 

Somebody in another thread, maybe this one, suggested that if we were able to land Tejada, that even if the pitching fell off, say Garland went back to his 04 form, that we could still repeat in 06. I totally disagree with that. If the pitching isn't as good or close to what it was last year in 06, it won't matter if we add Tejada. We won't be repeating. Ask Red Sox fans what a dominant offense with average pitching did for them in 2005.

[santo=dorf]

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 10:13 PM)

Somebody in another thread,  maybe this one,  suggested that if we were able to land Tejada,  that even if the pitching fell off,  say Garland went back to his 04 form,  that we could still repeat in 06.  I totally disagree with that.  If the pitching isn't as good or close to what it was last year in 06,  it won't matter if we add Tejada.  We won't be repeating.  Ask Red Sox fans what a dominant offense with average pitching did for them in 2005.

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Garland at his 04 form + McCarthy >2005 El Duque + 2005 Garland

IMO