Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 04:44 PM) I'll continue to insist on this site no trade scenario makes sense with ANY team, for ANY circumstance, unless a quality bullpen arm (or quality pitching prospect) is included. I realize Tejada's talent--but if the deal proposed within this site were to occur, we'd still have two holes left to occupy in the bullpen. Is the upgrade of Tejada over Uribe worth worrying about two bullpen positions? Funny, for all the praise given to Marte and Vizcaino's departure, no one appears worried. I just won't settle with Baj/Tracy battling with some journeyman for the final two bullpen positions. Really, I have no problem dealing Count/Uribe/Sweeney/Additional for Tejada if another quality bullpen arm is packaged. After Contrereas is traded, our bargaining chips are practically gone. Tavares/Qualls/Prospect still sounds more appeasing to me. It comes down to this: if given the choice, which sounds more appeasing: 1. Uribe/Qualls/Baj 2. Tejada/Baj/Journeyman. I couldn't agree more. We need need another proven arm in the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 QUOTE(ChWRoCk2 @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 06:11 PM) You cant compare them at a certain age, Uribes numbers didnt get better the next year and Tejada continues to improve, besides he was with Oakland that year, and you cant say that they have the greatest hitting team out there. I would get rid of Uribe in a heartbeat, Tejada had a 971 fielding % this past year compared to Uribes 977, thats not a big dropoff, and if were losing Contreras who was a good pitcher towards the end of the season, and adding Mccarthy into the mix who is still young he is going to need lots of run support, Tejada can provide that. Yes you can compare them at the same age, and those comparisons are normally better. I am not saying that Uribe is better, but it is interesting to see how close their stats stack up against each other at the same age. That was the only year that happened though, and Tejada has raked since then and Uribe has been just average. Give us Ray and some cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted January 4, 2006 Author Share Posted January 4, 2006 QUOTE(knightni @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 05:09 PM) The only way you send a pitching prospect AND Sweeney with Contreras and Uribe is that we either get 1/2 of Tejada's contract paid for or a reliever and a lower spect back. Per reliever, I like this guy: John Parrish. The guy just looks like a bulldog pitcher. He had a good ERA last year but needs to work on cutting down on the walks. Maybe a young guy like Brandon Erbe as a low spect. He was a 3rd round pick last yr by Bal and is as inexperienced as Lumdsen. But, he is in Baseball America's top 10 Orioles prospects. 48Ks in 23.1 IP in rookie ball this year. Not bad. Just say no to Parrish. He had an over 2.00 whip last year and has not shown good command ever in his career. This guy has bust written all over him. He has had a decent ERA the last two year, albeit in limited innings. But, he lets too many base runners on base. Baj and Munoz are better options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 06:19 PM) Just say no to Parrish. He had an over 2.00 whip last year and has not shown good command ever in his career. This guy has bust written all over him. He has had a decent ERA the last two year, albeit in limited innings. But, he lets too many base runners on base. Baj and Munoz are better options. Cmon.. He'd be a LOOGy. Certainly Cooper can work on his command. And no. "Baj and Munoz" are not better options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 05:44 PM) I'll continue to insist on this site no trade scenario makes sense with ANY team, for ANY circumstance, unless a quality bullpen arm (or quality pitching prospect) is included. I realize Tejada's talent--but if the deal proposed within this site were to occur, we'd still have two holes left to occupy in the bullpen. And we'd have no trade chips left to acquire bullpen help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 And we'd have no trade chips left to acquire bullpen help. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How do you know this for sure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 06:24 PM) And we'd have no trade chips left to acquire bullpen help. FA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted January 4, 2006 Author Share Posted January 4, 2006 QUOTE(ChWRoCk2 @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 05:27 PM) FA Albeit, s***ty minor league free agents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 05:17 PM) If the pitching falters, then adding Tejada would be the perfect addition. It's probably unlikely our starting pitching will be as good as it was last season. That's why it's so important to add some offense, and KW has done a great job with that so far. We cant forget though, that our offense would be going from 1 100 rbi producer, to 3 guys who have done it on a consistent basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 If the pitching falters, we ain't winnin s***. No matter who we add for 06, this team will go as the pitching goes. I know KW knows that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 06:37 PM) If the pitching falters, we ain't winnin s***. No matter who we add for 06, this team will go as the pitching goes. I know KW knows that. Yeah, but you can't win if you don't score. The best teams have balance, and the Sox would have that with the addition of Tejada. An explosive lineup with a top notch rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 QUOTE(JimH @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 05:25 PM) How do you know this for sure? Who's left to trade? With Contreras gone, everyone from our starting rotation would be off limits; the bullpen as well. Would you trade a cheap Joe Crede for a bullpen arm? Or Dye? Who replaces them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Who's left to trade? With Contreras gone, everyone from our starting rotation would be off limits; the bullpen as well. Would you trade a cheap Joe Crede for a bullpen arm? Or Dye? Who replaces them? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You would be surprised at the prospects you can trade. I know many here are worried about this but they will acquire the necessary pieces for the bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(RME JICO @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 05:47 PM) Yeah, but you can't win if you don't score. The best teams have balance, and the Sox would have that with the addition of Tejada. An explosive lineup with a top notch rotation. We scored plenty of runs in 02, 03 and 04. We know how each of those season's ended. I don't care who we add, the strength of this team is the pitching staff. If they fall off, it doesn't matter how many runs we score. Edited January 4, 2006 by Jordan4life_2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 OK, sorry if this has been mentioned, but I just saw this thread and don't want to sift through 13 pages... but the line that boggles my mind is at the end where it says something to the effect of the Sox not wanting to conflict with the Bears game and the Cubs convention. Are you kidding me?!?!?!? There would be nothing more the Sox would love than to announce a trade for Miguel Tejada on the weekend of the Cubs convention, it would be one of the biggest PR coups in a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 OK, sorry if this has been mentioned, but I just saw this thread and don't want to sift through 13 pages... but the line that boggles my mind is at the end where it says something to the effect of the Sox not wanting to conflict with the Bears game and the Cubs convention. Are you kidding me?!?!?!? There would be nothing more the Sox would love than to announce a trade for Miguel Tejada on the weekend of the Cubs convention, it would be one of the biggest PR coups in a long time. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Two thoughts on this: One, there is a professional courtesy between the two organizations and two, the White Sox apparantly feel they get the most bang for their PR buck by announcing something without conflicting events. That aspect of the rumor didn't surprise me at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank the Tank 35 Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Chris Ray would be awesome, but IF the O's commit to this trade, the Sox aren't getting anything else IMO. One question: If the Sox somehow crash and burn this season, could we not trade our players for prospects at that point? Hmm... that would kinda make some prospects expendable now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(JimH @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 05:53 PM) You would be surprised at the prospects you can trade. I know many here are worried about this but they will acquire the necessary pieces for the bullpen. Again--who's left to trade? Our minors is left with fringe prospects and Low-A talent. It's gutted. I'm not confident in the White Sox acquiring quality bullpen arms if Contreras is not involved. That's the key, for me--quality arms. Sure, they may trade a Baj/Munoz for some raw left-hander with injury history, but I'm hoping for pitchers ready to contribute immediately. Not another diamond in the rough. Edited January 5, 2006 by Flash Tizzle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Again--who's left to trade? Our minors is left with fringe prospects. It's gutted. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No, it really isn't, but if you're convinced in your own mind that it is, there's not much I can say to change it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(JimH @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 06:09 PM) No, it really isn't, but if you're convinced in your own mind that it is, there's not much I can say to change it. And the second half of my post--? Is your idea of replacing Marte/Vizcaino trading some prospect for another raw arm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 I could see them making an announcement at Soldier Field and the crowd going crazy, thus, giving the Bears a new-found thrust into the Super Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Tejada is not needed here. He is the best Shortstop in the game but the Sox have a good SS in Uribe and I hope KW doesn't give up any of the pitching to get a guy who is an upgrade but not needed. Don't trade JOSE CONTRERAS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 07:33 PM) I could see them making an announcement at Soldier Field and the crowd going crazy, thus, giving the Bears a new-found thrust into the Super Bowl. Keep dreaming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 I'm a little mixed about the whole deal if it came down. Maybe I haven't seen Tejeda enough to get excited about it. Though I'm pretty sure it would be worth it in terms of talent to land him. Yet I have some reservations. the sox do have some key young players to build around [cotts, Jenks, Bmac, Anderson it would seem] locked up for a few yrs cheaply, in addition to the big names [the starters, PK, Thome, Tejeda]. the sox just need the farm system to keep replenishing the roster with a few key additions. Yet it leaves little room for error Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam G Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(RME JICO @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 05:10 PM) Tejada swings at everything? 83 K's in 654 ABs? You must be thinking of someone else, like Richie Sexson. Ever read Moneyball? Beane used to call him Mr. Swing At Everything. He hated Tejada. He swings at everything, but he doesnt miss too often. The count doesnt get worked very much with him at the plate. Edited January 5, 2006 by Adam G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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