NorthSideSox72 Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(mreye @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 11:41 AM) He kind of did and re-opened it. It has since be re-closed. While I still have a problem with it, it's not my "beef" anymore. He didn't acknowledge anything wrong, he simply said he tried to re-open it. Even that is, I think, classless, when doing it just to make a point. I don't think he understands that. But this post and the one you replied to are it for me. No more need to argue. I just wanted someone to point out that responsibilty was not taken seriously. I guess that's my conservative side showing up - stand up and acknowledge your actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(mreye @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 09:39 AM) Maybe you're right, but apparently more than one person was offended personally. I'm not a "rapist apologist". I am deeply offended by the actions of the church in some of these cases, but I am also offended by someone saying: If you want to f*** kids join the preisthood. All priests are not pedophiles. It's a stereotypical statement that wouldn't fly in any other case and IMO shouldn't fly here - Fillibuster or not. Excellent post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(mreye @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 10:39 AM) Maybe you're right, but apparently more than one person was offended personally. I'm not a "rapist apologist". I am deeply offended by the actions of the church in some of these cases, but I am also offended by someone saying: If you want to f*** kids join the preisthood. All priests are not pedophiles. It's a stereotypical statement that wouldn't fly in any other case and IMO shouldn't fly here - Fillibuster or not. The Church was an enabling these particular pedophile priests to continue their sick practices, at the expense of the children of the faithful, may I add. This is an undeniable fact and it had been occuring for decades, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(mreye @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 11:39 AM) Maybe you're right, but apparently more than one person was offended personally. I'm not a "rapist apologist". I am deeply offended by the actions of the church in some of these cases, but I am also offended by someone saying: If you want to f*** kids join the preisthood. All priests are not pedophiles. It's a stereotypical statement that wouldn't fly in any other case and IMO shouldn't fly here - Fillibuster or not. I'm going to try to shut up after trying to again to explain what I still contend is a statement derived from fact and logic. I'm well aware that not all priests are pedophilles, and my statement didn't say they were. It did say that aspiring pedophiles could expect to receive a tremendous amount of hush-hush help and protection from prosecution courtesy of the corrupt institution of the Church if they were to enter the priesthood. Ergo, 'If you want to f*** kids join the preisthood' seems to me to be a logically founded statement. I think that all of this blowing up on the Church now is terribly painful and should (rightly) rock the institution at its very foundation. The end result of all the lawsuits and exposing the depths of scandal and corruption will hopefully be that the Vatican comes to understand that going back to 'business as usual' once the dust clears is not an option and will not be tolerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Rather, I'm expressing my loathing for the individuals who commit these acts and the institutional culture that has aided and abbeted it. so as long as I don't name names, I can say.... I hate homosexuals and their abhorrant anal sex. If you want a quick ticket to hell, your best bet is to suck down on some dudes dong and write a children's book called "you're different and that's super". If I'm wrong, please let me know. I'm trying to find the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 11:04 AM) Wow. I hate to offend anybody, but this a subject that is a powder keg. The way I'm seeing this discussion is that LCR, Mr. Kickass and FlaSoxxJim are condemning some of the policies of the institution of the Catholic Church, and not the faith or the religion as a whole. The Church, throughout history, has done an uncalculable amount good and compassionate deeds. Conversely, the Church has history of spilling a lot of blood, corruption, using the name of Christ to serve it's own policies and politics. The institution of the Catholic Church symbolizes faith to many people. Are you really not seeing the connection? The institution is the concrete form...Catholics obviously are going to hold deep feelings for the Church. Millions mourned the death of the Pope, for example... So when someone refers to leaders of a faith as "f***ing hypocritical bastards," isn't it logical that people are going to find that offensive? I really don't give a s*** if you're a pretentious moron who thinks that way...I was just expecting a little bit more decency and common courtesy. And the counterargument that Catholics who hold respect for the Church are in favor of molestation and rape is f***in' ridiculous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 12:45 PM) so as long as I don't name names, I can say.... I hate homosexuals and their abhorrant anal sex. If you want a quick ticket to hell, your best bet is to suck down on some dudes dong and write a children's book called "you're different and that's super". If I'm wrong, please let me know. I'm trying to find the line. People from certain sectors of society say precisely that sort of thing all the time, and I consider such people in general to be mouthbreathers. I've expressed a loathing for serial-rapist pedophiles and those aspects of the formal institution that has provided them with protection. I'd venture that most people share my loathing. On the other hand, your baited hypothetical questions the morality of homosexual behavior, which, thankfully, fewer and fewer people openly do if they want to be taken seriously by the American mainstream. I contend that homosexuals do not deserve to be despised because of their acts, while serial child molesters and their enablers deserve to be despised for theirs. Are we in agreement on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 12:06 PM) The institution of the Catholic Church symbolizes faith to many people. Are you really not seeing the connection? The institution is the concrete form...Catholics obviously are going to hold deep feelings for the Church. Millions mourned the death of the Pope, for example... So when someone refers to leaders of a faith as "f***ing hypocritical bastards," isn't it logical that people are going to find that offensive? I really don't give a s*** if you're a pretentious moron who thinks that way...I was just expecting a little bit more decency and common courtesy. And the counterargument that Catholics who hold respect for the Church are in favor of molestation and rape is f***in' ridiculous... Now, point out to me how I was a pretentious moron or showed a lack of decency or common courtesy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 01:09 PM) Now, point out to me how I was a pretentious moron or showed a lack of decency or common courtesy. Not you in particular. I meant more in general. Besides, you weren't the pretentious moron with the "f***ing hypocritical bastards" and "fascist whiners" comments. Edit: The first of my post was what was more directed to your post that I quoted. Edited January 5, 2006 by SleepyWhiteSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 01:06 PM) The institution of the Catholic Church symbolizes faith to many people. Are you really not seeing the connection? The institution is the concrete form...Catholics obviously are going to hold deep feelings for the Church. Millions mourned the death of the Pope, for example... So when someone refers to leaders of a faith as "f***ing hypocritical bastards," isn't it logical that people are going to find that offensive? I really don't give a s*** if you're a pretentious moron who thinks that way...I was just expecting a little bit more decency and common courtesy. And the counterargument that Catholics who hold respect for the Church are in favor of molestation and rape is f***in' ridiculous... My assumption is that your are not targeting YAS with this, as he was only acting as an interpreter for us few pretentious morons. When someone refers to leaders of a faith as "f***ing hypocritical bastards," those who take umbrage logically do not see any hypocrasy in the Church leaders. If this is the case than the flock deserves the leaders it has and vice-versa. As far as a "counterargument that Catholics who hold respect for the Church are in favor of molestation and rape" . . . Did I miss somebody actually espousing this opinion in this thread? If so, please show me that. My hope, of course, would be that that Catholics who hold respect for the Church would take vocal issue with what so many priests have been doing to the least of their brothers for decades now. It's a good thing the meek are inheriting the Earth, because they sure haven't gotten much help from their fellow Catholics. Edited January 5, 2006 by FlaSoxxJim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 12:11 PM) Not you in particular. I meant more in general. Besides, you weren't the pretentious moron with the "f***ing hypocritical bastards" and "fascist whiners" comments. Edit: The first of my post was what was more directed to your post that I quoted. To respond to the first part then .... Yes, I see the connection. I still feel that there was major overreaction because they were not denigrating the faith or the religion, per say. The criticism was directed at some of the policies of the institution. The Vatican has certainly left something to be desired throughout history as a representive of Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 01:20 PM) It's a good thing the meek are inheriting the Earth, because they sure haven't gotten much help from their fellow Catholics. Yeah, I've never heard of the Catholic Church ever helping those in need either... :headshake Quite a warped sense of truth around here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 01:37 PM) Yeah, I've never heard of the Catholic Church ever helping those in need either... :headshake Quite a warped sense of truth around here... I take it you are still combing the thread for the post arguing that Catholics who hold respect for the Church are in favor of molestation and rape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 01:08 PM) People from certain sectors of society say precisely that sort of thing all the time, and I consider such people in general to be mouthbreathers. Stop making fun of me because I have a cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 01:41 PM) Stop making fun of me because I have a cold. Not to worry. You, at least, will get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 True story... because the title of this thread is so long, it shows up on the main board as "You know what I really f***..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 12:45 PM) so as long as I don't name names, I can say.... I hate homosexuals and their abhorrant anal sex. If you want a quick ticket to hell, your best bet is to suck down on some dudes dong and write a children's book called "you're different and that's super". If I'm wrong, please let me know. I'm trying to find the line. That's not the line. I don't name names either but I really hate hypocritical people who pretend being christian so that they can play the martyr on internet message boards and hold grudges against people they've never even met. No wait, hate's not the word... I think its more pity. Who has the best sig on here: "Arguing on an internet message board is like being in the Special Olympics, even if you win - you're still retarded." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 11:21 AM) To respond to the first part then .... Yes, I see the connection. I still feel that there was major overreaction because they were not denigrating the faith or the religion, per say. The criticism was directed at some of the policies of the institution. The Vatican has certainly left something to be desired throughout history as a representive of Christ. You make some good points, but obvious it's that LCR wasn't really trying to point out the difference. To the contrary, he didn't care if he stepped on the toes of a billion+ Catholics with his comments. I could really give less than a good damn about offending the majority of Catholics. And when he calls the members of the Catholic Church "hypocrites" and "fascists," that includes my priest. And I take offense to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 01:39 PM) I take it you are still combing the thread for the post arguing that Catholics who hold respect for the Church are in favor of molestation and rape? No need. It's been alluded to throughout. I'm still laughing at the idea that those is need "sure haven't gotten much help from their fellow Catholics." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 12:31 PM) I tried (and obviously failed) to open it back up. So much for writing first thing in the morning. I've been trying to splice out some of the argument thread that caused SS2K to close it & then re-open. LCR wanted to splice out some of the heat and reopen the thread for the valid discussion in it. That was his attempt. It wasn't to get the last word in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(WCSox @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 01:54 PM) You make some good points, but obvious it's that LCR wasn't really trying to point out the difference. To the contrary, he didn't care if he stepped on the toes of a billion+ Catholics with his comments. And when he calls the members of the Catholic Church "hypocrites" and "fascists," that includes my priest. And I take offense to that. 1 Billion?!? Holy Crap! Look at them, bloody Catholics, filling the bloody world up with bloody people they can't afford to bloody feed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted January 5, 2006 Author Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(WCSox @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 12:54 PM) You make some good points, but obvious it's that LCR wasn't really trying to point out the difference. To the contrary, he didn't care if he stepped on the toes of a billion+ Catholics with his comments. And when he calls the members of the Catholic Church "hypocrites" and "fascists," that includes my priest. And I take offense to that. Ditto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 01:58 PM) No need. It's been alluded to throughout. I'm still laughing at the idea that those is need "sure haven't gotten much help from their fellow Catholics." In the context of my contribution to this thread, that is obviously a specific reference to the sexually abused victims. Truly the meek, without a voice. Made to keep quiet about the abuse, not believed by many parents and pastors when they do come forward, and pretty much marred for life. And all the while the Church let it happen through willfullness or blissful ignorance (real or feigned). And if that is a laughing matter to you, then by all means laugh yourself silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 01:46 PM) Who has the best sig on here: "Arguing on an internet message board is like being in the Special Olympics, even if you win - you're still retarded." I believe that is Las Medias Blancas (may be misspelled) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 02:09 PM) And if that is a laughing matter to you, then by all means laugh yourself silly. You know I wouldn't be laughing at that. And since you were nice enough to call me out about finding a specific quote, here is the one that I was thinking of when I made my statement: "I just find it hilarious that Sleepy et al. seem to be defenders of an organization that coddled rapists and those complicit in mass exterminations." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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