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QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 14, 2006 -> 08:33 PM)
I believe it regarding Gordon. I don't think the kid is a slimeball, but his dad sure as hell is. But if Gordon has indeed been a silent verbal for weeks, that is an even louder indictment of Bruce.

 

How so? Gordon was telling him he was still coming to Illinois. Gordon was telling McCamey he was still coming to Illinois. Was he supposed to just magically know the kid was lying?

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QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Oct 14, 2006 -> 08:31 PM)
To clear something up, Gordon has been silently committed to IU for weeks now, although made no mention of this to anyone in the Illinois program. I've learned in some even greater detail about the story, and I can't help but think Gordon Sr is a slime ball as is Sampson for how he handled the situation.

I've also learned the exact details behind KU's probation from a KU booster. Pretty funny story if anyone wants to hear it.

 

Sure that fits right along with this...

 

On Monday, Gordon walked into North Central High School coach Doug Mitchell's office.

"I know exactly where I want to go,'' Gordon told Mitchell.

"Yeah?'' Mitchell said.

"I want to go to Indiana,'' Gordon said.

Mitchell countered, "A week ago, you were sure you wanted to go to Illinois. Are you sure?''

As he told the story

 

I'm sure his HS coach knew nothing of the information you seem to be locked into. Makes perfect sense.

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QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Oct 14, 2006 -> 07:07 PM)
Not really. If it was mostly about coaching over talent, then how come the vast majority of talent wins out in the NCAA? Only team that did anything was George Mason. That's the only team ever. No one can possibly tell me, that the Illini, with the way its recruiting is going, is national championship contender material, nor are they final four material.

 

It's still possible to make some serious noise without elite recruits, and elite recruits/players don't necessarily equal tournament success. From this last year Kansas, Duke, Texas and UConn (wouldn't be on the list except they did fall short of expectations are some prime examples on the one end while George Mason, Georgetown (only Bowman was a good recruit) and UCLA (solid talent but went through a MUCH more talented Memphis team and another team that IMO was better in LSU) are examples on the other end, and it took a monumental collapse for a Gonzaga team from the lowly WCC to keep them out of the Elite 8 .

 

However, you need more things to go right without them (hidden gem prospects, solid execution, veteran leadership, good tourney draw, ect.), and it's harder to stay consistent without that constant infusion of solid talent. With Wisconsin being the only exception I can think of, your teams that consistently make it to the second weekend of the tournament consistently get top-50 recruits. (Yes, Illinois fits that category recently. In the last 5 years they've had Frank and Deron Williams, Brown, Cook, and now Carlwell on the roster.)

 

Illinois will have to deal with this reality in the coming future. This year's team will likely be decent and next year's team should be solid, but after that some of these non-elite recruits are going to have to seriously step up to maintain even a reasonable facsimile of thier recent success.

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QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Oct 14, 2006 -> 10:02 PM)
How so? Gordon was telling him he was still coming to Illinois. Gordon was telling McCamey he was still coming to Illinois. Was he supposed to just magically know the kid was lying?

 

I don't know who to believe anymore now. I just know Gordon is going to IU and somebody screwed up to allow that to happen.

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QUOTE(Jimbo @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 02:17 AM)
Like I said all top recruits should verbal to Illinois, its a great way to get to a better program.

Im at work right now and it just makes me feel better talking to you drunk people.I suddenly feel like iam out at a bar right now,not working.its great.

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QUOTE(shipps @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 02:48 AM)
Im at work right now and it just makes me feel better talking to you drunk people.I suddenly feel like iam out at a bar right now,not working.its great.

 

 

I said the same thing sober.

 

hell, it worked for Villanueva, Rush, Collins, Gordon and the god of bball, JUJU Wright.

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QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 03:58 AM)
Sure that fits right along with this...

I'm sure his HS coach knew nothing of the information you seem to be locked into. Makes perfect sense.

I would not believe anything coming from the public in this situation. This is college basketball recruiting, remember? Everyone will just try to save face.

 

 

And if anyone actually believes that committing the day of Indiana Midnight Madness was not a scripted ending, I have to say that you are clearly blind.

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On Monday, Gordon walked into North Central High School coach Doug Mitchell's office.

"I know exactly where I want to go,'' Gordon told Mitchell.

"Yeah?'' Mitchell said.

"I want to go to Indiana,'' Gordon said.

Mitchell countered, "A week ago, you were sure you wanted to go to Illinois. Are you sure?''

As he told the story

 

I swear I read about the same exact conversation, except the coach said something like "Don't tell me where you are going, just think about it some more."

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Illinois basketball will survive without Eric Gordon.

 

The 05 team had 0 five star recruits. I believe in Coach Weber's ability to win games. Recruiting doesn't win games. How many blue chippers were on LSU and Florida? Thomas was a 3 star for christ sakes. The internet has overblown recruiting in the worst way.

 

Take KU, for example. That team's loaded with talent but, they're absolutely garbage. They're so bad, it's frustrating to watch.

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QUOTE(TaylorStSox @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 04:49 PM)
Illinois basketball will survive without Eric Gordon.

 

The 05 team had 0 five star recruits. I believe in Coach Weber's ability to win games. Recruiting doesn't win games. How many blue chippers were on LSU and Florida? Thomas was a 3 star for christ sakes. The internet has overblown recruiting in the worst way.

 

Take KU, for example. That team's loaded with talent but, they're absolutely garbage. They're so bad, it's frustrating to watch.

 

You seem real intelligent with your knowledge of sports...haha.

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QUOTE(Jimbo @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 05:13 PM)
You seem real intelligent with your knowledge of sports...haha.

 

 

Yes, insult me. :bang

 

The facts speak for themselves. Weber wins basketball games. Recruiting may win some internet kudos for fans that act like it's an Xbox game, but there's more to winning than having the best talent i.e. Kansas. I'll take the McCamey's of the world over the Collins any day. Maybe you'd rather masturbate over your burger boys while being embarrassed in the first round. That's your problem.

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QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 12:02 PM)
I would not believe anything coming from the public in this situation. This is college basketball recruiting, remember? Everyone will just try to save face.

And if anyone actually believes that committing the day of Indiana Midnight Madness was not a scripted ending, I have to say that you are clearly blind.

 

So in other words, don't listen to the public, but trust everything you say.

 

Yeah right. That works.

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QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 09:18 PM)
A.J. Stewart says it's pretty much a lock he's going to Kentucky over Illinois, per Rivals. The Bruce magic continues.

 

Stop now.

 

 

The fact that Weber even made Illinois into having a chance at Stewart is nothing short of amazing. The kid absolutly bleeds blue and white. Want proof? Well, there is a reason that the illiniboard.com forums, famous for their meltdowns, could absolutly care less upon hearing about this news.

 

QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 11:27 PM)
So in other words, don't listen to the public, but trust everything you say.

 

Yeah right. That works.

I never said you had to trust me. I'm just saying believing every news bit to come out of this story is just idiotic.

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QUOTE(TaylorStSox @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 04:49 PM)
Illinois basketball will survive without Eric Gordon.

 

The 05 team had 0 five star recruits. I believe in Coach Weber's ability to win games. Recruiting doesn't win games. How many blue chippers were on LSU and Florida? Thomas was a 3 star for christ sakes. The internet has overblown recruiting in the worst way.

 

That's exactly what I have been trying to say. No need for everyone's panties in a bunch. The only reason this is a big deal for IU is that it is an Indiana kid, the type of kid that has been avoiding IU the past few years.

 

While following recruiting is fun, I find it humorous that grown men make it into a life or death type situation, mostly doing so while sitting behind a keyboard. I mean is it really important to track what a 17-yr old kid does every day of his HS life. I mean it's getting to the point of being like the papparazzi in Hollywood.

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QUOTE(TaylorStSox @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 04:49 PM)
Illinois basketball will survive without Eric Gordon.

 

The 05 team had 0 five star recruits. I believe in Coach Weber's ability to win games. Recruiting doesn't win games. How many blue chippers were on LSU and Florida? Thomas was a 3 star for christ sakes. The internet has overblown recruiting in the worst way.

 

Take KU, for example. That team's loaded with talent but, they're absolutely garbage. They're so bad, it's frustrating to watch.

 

Brewer: 5 star prospect

Horford: 4 star

Richard: 4 star

Noah: 4 star

Hodge: 4 star

 

Blue Chipper and 4 other really great players around him. Care to retract?

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QUOTE(TaylorStSox @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 04:49 PM)
The 05 team had 0 five star recruits. I believe in Coach Weber's ability to win games. Recruiting doesn't win games.

 

Dee Brown was a 5 star recruit, and Deron Williams was a high 4 star. However your point is fair, because Luther Head, Roger Powell, James Augustine, and Jack Ingram were all 3 star recruits out of HS.

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QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 07:23 PM)
Brewer: 5 star prospect

Horford: 4 star

Richard: 4 star

Noah: 4 star

Hodge: 4 star

 

Blue Chipper and 4 other really great players around him. Care to retract?

 

To continue on that thought, LSU had a few big recruits of their own. Glen Davis and Tasmin Mitchell were McDonald's All-Americans, and Magnum Rolle was a 5-star as well (didn't play much).

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QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 07:23 PM)
Brewer: 5 star prospect

Horford: 4 star

Richard: 4 star

Noah: 4 star

Hodge: 4 star

 

Blue Chipper and 4 other really great players around him. Care to retract?

 

 

Retract what? So they had 1 blue chipper and some 4 stars. Minus 1 player, that doesn't look much different than the Illini's roster right now, in a down year.

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QUOTE(TaylorStSox @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 08:07 PM)
Retract what? So they had 1 blue chipper and some 4 stars. Minus 1 player, that doesn't look much different than the Illini's roster right now, in a down year.

 

I dont think you get the point, Florida won it all and is recruiting strong. This year they have 3 of the top 100 coming into school. 2007, they have the number 3 pg, and 3 in top 50. Illinois makes the finals, and their classes suck each year since. Stop drinking the illini kool-aid, the freshman last year were pretty average as well.

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QUOTE(Jimbo @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 08:35 PM)
I dont think you get the point, Florida won it all and is recruiting strong. This year they have 3 of the top 100 coming into school. 2007, they have the number 3 pg, and 3 in top 50. Illinois makes the finals, and their classes suck each year since. Stop drinking the illini kool-aid, the freshman last year were pretty average as well.

I think you have enough s*** at Kansas to keep you occupied for a while.

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