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QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Nov 3, 2006 -> 12:08 PM)
That is just an odd statement all-around. Gordon isn't and has never been the top player in the country. He has been the top ranked SG in his class for quite a while though. Yes he played very well with Rose, and lots of people went out to see them play together. But both players were already entrenched into their #1 SG and #2 PG positions and nothing changed, people just found out that they gelled well together.

 

While they both are great players and Gordon obviously made Meanstreets a lot better they really didn't play all that well together. Their games pretty much consisted of them taking turns going 1 on 1 with a defender.

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QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Nov 3, 2006 -> 10:39 AM)
From the Sun-Times BLOG by Michael O'Brien. I'm just posting it because I remember reading it. This is an opinion, but he knows more than I do, so TIFWIW:

 

Not such a strange comment. Just a way to ease the pain of the loss of Gordon. Bash him a little bit, knock his hype down a bit so the sting doesn't seem so bad.

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QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Nov 4, 2006 -> 12:45 AM)
Not such a strange comment. Just a way to ease the pain of the loss of Gordon. Bash him a little bit, knock his hype down a bit so the sting doesn't seem so bad.

 

Exactly what I was thinking. The bias is just sickening.

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QUOTE(Heads22 @ Nov 3, 2006 -> 10:48 PM)
Jordan Bernstein, top football recruit in the state of Iowa, notes Iowa as his favorite over UCLA, Texas A&M, and others.

 

A highly touted football player from Iowa that wants to go to Iowa? What are you gonna tell me next, the state has a lot of corn and is full of Cubs fans?

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QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 3, 2006 -> 06:10 PM)
Rose to Memphis is about a 90 percent sure thing, which is the bad news for the Illini. The good news is that Benn to the Illini is also about a 90 percent sure thing. Gotta take the good and the bad if such is true.

 

 

 

Which is good because for me Benn>Rose

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Exactly what I was thinking. The bias is just sickening.

 

if i'm reading this right and you are claiming that mike o'brien and the s-t is biased in favor of illinois, you must not read his stuff very often. if you did, you'd know that claiming he's biased in favor of illinois is borderline ridiculous.

 

also, i'm not sure why it's "bias" or anything else to suggest that gordon wanted to play with rose more than the other way around. here's a quote from an indianapolis star reporter who pretty much says the same thing:

 

I think Memphis is the team to beat and from what I?ve been hearing any way that?s probably where Derrick Rose will end up. I think Illinois probably had too much ground to make up too late in the ball game, and the more this thing has played out I?m not so convinced that Rose really wants to play with Eric Gordon all that much. If he did, this would be a no-brainer. He and Gordon would hook up and play together and the Hoosiers would have a great nucleus for that one season. IU would still need to pick up a big, in the possibility that D.J. White goes pro, but that?s something they could worry about in the spring.

 

link: indy star q and a

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QUOTE(thedoctor @ Nov 4, 2006 -> 02:47 PM)
if i'm reading this right and you are claiming that mike o'brien and the s-t is biased in favor of illinois, you must not read his stuff very often. if you did, you'd know that claiming he's biased in favor of illinois is borderline ridiculous.

 

also, i'm not sure why it's "bias" or anything else to suggest that gordon wanted to play with rose more than the other way around. here's a quote from an indianapolis star reporter who pretty much says the same thing:

link: indy star q and a

 

I think the bias he's referring to is the attempt to soften the blow or w/e for some Illini fans by inferring that Gordon is only claimed to be a talent because of playing with Rose.

 

"Don't overlook the fact that Gordon wasn't considered the top player in the country until he played with Rose. Gordon, not Rose, benefited from the partnership."

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QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Nov 4, 2006 -> 07:50 PM)
I think the bias he's referring to is the attempt to soften the blow or w/e for some Illini fans by inferring that Gordon is only claimed to be a talent because of playing with Rose.

 

"Don't overlook the fact that Gordon wasn't considered the top player in the country until he played with Rose. Gordon, not Rose, benefited from the partnership."

 

ok. that i could buy, although having read mike o'brien regularly since he came to the s-t, he has never been one to do anyone related to illinois any favors. i won't go so far to say he's anti-illinois, but he isn't going to go out of his way to make them look good.

 

also i'll say that i totally disagree with what he said in this instance. gordon moved up the charts because he's a helluva player, nothing more.

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QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Nov 4, 2006 -> 01:50 PM)
I think the bias he's referring to is the attempt to soften the blow or w/e for some Illini fans by inferring that Gordon is only claimed to be a talent because of playing with Rose.

 

"Don't overlook the fact that Gordon wasn't considered the top player in the country until he played with Rose. Gordon, not Rose, benefited from the partnership."

 

Except if you are reading that as Gordon only being a talent because he played with Rose you are an idiot. All he is saying is that Gordon got most of the hype and moved up in the rankings when he played with Rose. That is true.

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QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Nov 4, 2006 -> 03:00 PM)
Except if you are reading that as Gordon only being a talent because he played with Rose you are an idiot. All he is saying is that Gordon got most of the hype and moved up in the rankings when he played with Rose. That is true.

 

That's how I read what he wrote. However, it doesn't mean I believe what he wrote. I'm not sure how that makes me an idiot.

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QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Nov 4, 2006 -> 08:00 PM)
Except if you are reading that as Gordon only being a talent because he played with Rose you are an idiot. All he is saying is that Gordon got most of the hype and moved up in the rankings when he played with Rose. That is true.

 

Which is untrue. Gordon has always been considered one of the top players in the country since most scouting companies came out with their initial rankings for this recruiting class a few years ago(top ten). If you follow Indiana high school basketball you cetainly have known about Gordon for a while. He was always considered the top player in the state(for this recruiting class) for years, and that includes a state that currently has 7 players in the Rivals top 70 at this point. Saying that he wasn't one of the top players in the country until he played with Rose is insane, and shows that this guy knows nothing or very little about recruiting. In which case you shouldn't make comments about things you know almost nothing about. So yes, his comments are completely bias and tant his reputation in regards to high school basketball knowledge IMO.

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QUOTE(whitesox61382 @ Nov 4, 2006 -> 03:14 PM)
Which is untrue. Gordon has always been considered one of the top players in the country since most scouting companies came out with their initial rankings for this recruiting class a few years ago(top ten). If you follow Indiana high school basketball you cetainly have known about Gordon for a while. He was always considered the top player in the state(for this recruiting class) for years, and that includes a state that currently has 7 players in the Rivals top 70 at this point. Saying that he wasn't one of the top players in the country until he played with Rose is insane, and shows that this guy knows nothing or very little about recruiting. In which case you shouldn't make comments about things you know almost nothing about. So yes, his comments are completely bias and tant his reputation in regards to high school basketball knowledge IMO.

 

Except he says that Gordon was not considered to be the TOP not one of the top players in the country until he played with Rose. He never says Gordon wasn't one of the top players because that would be stupid.

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QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Nov 4, 2006 -> 09:39 PM)
Except he says that Gordon was not considered to be the TOP not one of the top players in the country until he played with Rose. He never says Gordon wasn't one of the top players because that would be stupid.

 

God seriously shut up already. Gordon is and always has been a TOP player.

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QUOTE(He_Gawn @ Nov 4, 2006 -> 08:57 PM)
Greasy pinpointed what I was saying. It's basically useless to talk about Gordon in this thread because it always leads to a certain fanbase getting uneasy.

 

 

QUOTE(He_Gawn @ Nov 4, 2006 -> 09:46 PM)
God seriously shut up already. Gordon is and always has been a TOP player.

 

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QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Nov 4, 2006 -> 09:39 PM)
Except he says that Gordon was not considered to be the TOP not one of the top players in the country until he played with Rose. He never says Gordon wasn't one of the top players because that would be stupid.

 

Give it up man(before you show any more sore loser syndrome), the difference between being ranked the number five rated player versus being ranked the number one rated player is so insignificant that it isn't even funny(especially if there isn't a consensus number one rated player) and to suggest that it is a big difference is just idiotic. Gordon has always been in the top 5 and has fluctuated within the top 5 over the years. For the record, he is currently the number two rated player in the country(according to rivals and scouts). The fact is Gordon was a great player before he played with Rose, and was a great player while playing with Rose. Let it go and learn to accept mediocre at UI.

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QUOTE(whitesox61382 @ Nov 4, 2006 -> 09:58 PM)
Let it go and learn to accept mediocre at UI.

QUOTE(He_Gawn @ Nov 4, 2006 -> 08:57 PM)
Greasy pinpointed what I was saying. It's basically useless to talk about Gordon in this thread because it always leads to a certain fanbase getting uneasy.

 

 

At first I assume you were talking about the U of I fan base. But apparently not.

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I was defending Gordon because certain Illini fans won't just accept that Gordon has always been an outstanding player even before his days with Rose.

 

And thank you for that insightful post wsf99, maybe he will follow through with your wirsh.

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