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Shame to have to put Big Frank notes in the Diamond Club, but I guess thats where they belong now... :crying

 

Frank Thomas - DH - White Sox   

The A's still have interest in Frank Thomas, but they're awaiting more medical results before the consider making an offer.

Agent Arn Tellem said Thomas is making progress as he recovers from two different breaks in his left ankle. "It's all favorable," Tellem said about the results of recent X-rays and a bone scan. "The doctors are all optimistic, and I think the A's are waiting for Frank to be cleared later in the month." Although Oakland would seem to have a full lineup now, it would make a lot of sense to sign Thomas and give him some playing time over Jay Payton, Nick Swisher and Dan Johnson. Swisher can move back and forth between the outfield and first base.

Jan. 6 - 1:55 pm et Source: San Francisco Chronicle

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QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jan 6, 2006 -> 08:15 PM)
If the guy wants to work, I want him to.  He deserves to go out when he is ready

 

This is one of the main things I wish people would realize when 'superstars' play well past their prime. (Ahem, Brett Favre.)

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QUOTE(BobDylan @ Jan 7, 2006 -> 06:47 AM)
This is one of the main things I wish people would realize when 'superstars' play well past their prime. (Ahem, Brett Favre.)

 

I sort of agree with you, but Favre is a little different because he directly affects the outcome of every game.

 

Now if you want to talk about past baseball superstars, I completely agree with you. Roger Clemens, Frank Thomas, Wade Boggs, Eddie Murray, etc. All of them played past their primes and still contributed to their respective teams.

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Frank is a future HOFer, but he wants to cement that with the 500 HRs. All retired players HOF eligible with 500 are HOFers.

 

The active or just retired list with over 500 include:

 

Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Palmiero, Griffey. A lot of roids in that sentence.

 

The list that fell short is:

 

McGriff, Canseco, Bagwell, Sheffield, and Thomas. Some more roids there too.

 

52 Homers is a lot for Frank to hit. Even in limited time, it would probably take 2-3 decent seasons for him to get that. I just don't see him being a full time DH, and it is a waste of a roster spot to have someone platoon at DH.

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QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jan 7, 2006 -> 11:38 AM)
I sort of agree with you, but Favre is a little different because he directly affects the outcome of every game. 

 

Now if you want to talk about past baseball superstars, I completely agree with you.  Roger Clemens, Frank Thomas, Wade Boggs, Eddie Murray, etc.  All of them played past their primes and still contributed to their respective teams.

How can you say Clemens is past his prime? He had an ERA below 2 this season.
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QUOTE(Sox Hustler @ Jan 7, 2006 -> 12:06 PM)
If Frank wants to continue to play and he feels he can still do some damage then I have no problem. The big guy deserves to play if he wants to. I will be rooting for him no matter what uni he is wearing. Hopefully he gets 500 and I will definitley be there on his return to the cell. Good luck Frank Thomas. :crying  :headbang

I will always root for Frank. Even if he went to a rival

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QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jan 7, 2006 -> 11:38 AM)
I sort of agree with you, but Favre is a little different because he directly affects the outcome of every game. 

 

Now if you want to talk about past baseball superstars, I completely agree with you.  Roger Clemens, Frank Thomas, Wade Boggs, Eddie Murray, etc.  All of them played past their primes and still contributed to their respective teams.

 

Well it's one thing if the player is going to affect the progress and the overall winning the team is trying to achieve...but if another team wants to sign him because they think he'll help, I don't see why people complain. How can a player ruin a legacy if he got to the point of achieving one in the first place? Everyone will still remember how great the player once was...but why knock him for getting old, declinding in talent, but playing simply because that's what he loves?

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QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jan 7, 2006 -> 06:06 PM)
How can you say Clemens is past his prime?  He had an ERA below 2 this season.

 

Because he is over 40. I didnt say he sucked, but lets be real here, when he was in his 20's he was even more dominating. Now he has tons of experience to fall back on and it makes him better, but Clemens aint getting any younger. I dont think he is bad at all, but everyone loses a little when they get older. Clemens had to learn the splitter to maintain his (unbelieveable) effectiveness, and he mastered it. The 20 year old Roger didnt need that splitter, he was just that damn good.

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QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 7, 2006 -> 05:03 PM)
I'd like to see Frank end up somewhere a little more homer friendly, not to mention that draws a few fans, but I hope he heals enough to be effective and get his 500 homers.

I read in the paper today that of Frank's last 150 homers, 111 came at the Cell. That would be a concern to me if I was a GM in a pitcher's park like Oakland's.

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QUOTE(Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jan 8, 2006 -> 11:18 AM)
I read in the paper today that of Frank's last 150 homers, 111 came at the Cell. That would be a concern to me if I was a GM in a pitcher's park like Oakland's.

Wow I didn't know that. Seems to be a huge disparity, only 39 away from the Cell in the last 150 HRs?

 

Here are his H/A Splits for HRs since 2001:

 

2005

H - 9

A - 3

 

2004

H - 14

A - 4

 

2003

H - 29

A - 13

 

2002

H - 24

A - 4

 

2001

H - 2

A - 2

 

He has only hit 16 HRs in OAK, and 13 in MIN for his career.

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QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jan 7, 2006 -> 05:06 PM)
How can you say Clemens is past his prime?  He had an ERA below 2 this season.

 

A player's prime does not refer to how well they are performing, but a certain age in a player's career. It generally lasts about 5 years, when their production peaks, and then slowly starts to come back down.

 

If you look at Clemens numbers before going to the NL, he had ERAs in the 4.00s with the Yankees towards the end there, and was a flat out mediocre pitcher. Due to him being a smart pitcher, who still had good stuff, he was able to attack weaker NL lineups that had not seen him, thus allowing him to be as dominant as he was(fastballs 5 inches off the plate being called strikes never hurts either).

 

Clemens is waaaaaaaaay past his prime. That doesn't mean he can't perform well though.

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QUOTE(Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jan 8, 2006 -> 11:18 AM)
I read in the paper today that of Frank's last 150 homers, 111 came at the Cell. That would be a concern to me if I was a GM in a pitcher's park like Oakland's.

 

I saw that as well. I think it makes him a canditate for a big and quick decline depending on what his next team is. Choosing a place like Oakland could speed him out of the game.

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QUOTE(RME JICO @ Jan 7, 2006 -> 12:27 PM)
Frank is a future HOFer, but he wants to cement that with the 500 HRs.  All retired players HOF eligible with 500 are HOFers.

 

The active or just retired list with over 500 include:

 

Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Palmiero, Griffey.  A lot of roids in that sentence.

 

The list that fell short is:

 

McGriff, Canseco, Bagwell, Sheffield, and Thomas.  Some more roids there too.

 

52 Homers is a lot for Frank to hit.  Even in limited time, it would probably take 2-3 decent seasons for him to get that.  I just don't see him being a full time DH, and it is a waste of a roster spot to have someone platoon at DH.

Hes also just hurting his stellar numbers like his BA, OBP, SLG, etc. Those are numbers that have really put him on the map IMO. His numbers in his prime were compared to Ted Williams among others, I dont want to see him hitting 210 and jacking 12 hr's then getting hurt again.

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QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 9, 2006 -> 04:23 PM)
Hes also just hurting his stellar numbers like his BA, OBP, SLG, etc.  Those are numbers that have really put him on the map IMO.  His numbers in his prime were compared to Ted Williams among others, I dont want to see him hitting 210 and jacking 12 hr's then getting hurt again.

 

Which is probably exactly what would happen.

 

If Thomas plays 100 games in a season again, I'd be surprised as hell.

 

 

I'm not sure if I've said it anywhere, but I personally see a David Justice type situation arising with Frank Thomas...a player who may have a year or two left in him, with teams who have interest in him, who just realizes it's time to go. Not sure why I see it...but I do.

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This little note from Tom Singer in MLB.Com today

• The Athletics keep getting encouraging medical reports on Frank Thomas, in whom they remain interested as a valuable veteran addition to their mix. Doctors caring for Thomas say his recovery from foot surgery is progressing ahead of schedule.
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QUOTE(TLAK @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 08:34 PM)
• The Athletics keep getting encouraging medical reports on Frank Thomas, in whom they remain interested as a valuable veteran addition to their mix. Doctors caring for Thomas say his recovery from foot surgery is progressing ahead of schedule.

 

 

Didn't we he that alot last year?!?

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