kapkomet Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 06:29 PM) How can a fact include "I believe"? Isn't that an opinion? The FACT is he believes that statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandy125 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 12:29 PM) How can a fact include "I believe"? Isn't that an opinion? Pretty simple. It is a fact that he believes abortion is murder. It is a statement about his beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 QUOTE(vandy125 @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 01:32 PM) Pretty simple. It is a fact that he believes abortion is murder. It is a statement about his beliefs. It comes off as (abortion = murder) is a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 QUOTE(kevin57 @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 12:25 PM) As a priest, I can tell you that priests politically break down pretty much as society does, republican and democrat, liberal and conservative. Which I consider a shame. From the gospel and our respective traditions, we should have the privilege of critiquing the entire political spectrum, engage in value-oriented debates. Many, though, are in the hip pocket of one party or another. :headshake I would have figured priests were about even....just as catholics are about split as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 QUOTE(kevin57 @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 02:25 PM) As a priest, I can tell you that priests politically break down pretty much as society does, republican and democrat, liberal and conservative. Which I consider a shame. From the gospel and our respective traditions, we should have the privilege of critiquing the entire political spectrum, engage in value-oriented debates. Many, though, are in the hip pocket of one party or another. :headshake wait, wait, wait--you're a priest?!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I'm Lutheran and a regular church goer, and I notice no political influence at all at church to be honest. Maybe that's why I like my church so much though....it's not common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 12:29 PM) How can a fact include "I believe"? Isn't that an opinion? The Fact is that I Believe what I what I said. The sentence is strucured to clearly state that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 12:34 PM) It comes off as (abortion = murder) is a fact. No. That's what you choose to read into the sentence. The sentence, as stated, speaks for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 02:41 PM) The sentence is strucured to clearly state that. In your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 01:58 PM) In your opinion. It's a fact. The sentence says what it says. Nothing more, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 03:00 PM) It's a fact. The sentence says what it says. Nothing more, nothing less. It is your opinion that it was clearly stated. That was my point. It was unclear to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 02:01 PM) It is your opinion that it was clearly stated. That was my point. It was unclear to me. What are you doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 As much as I love to argue semantics and whether or not you truly believe that liberals kill babies - which I'm sure that you don't by the way - it frankly bores me and I'd like to counteract the perception that you have that liberals believe in abortion. I guess liberals believe in abortion in as much as there is a procedure named abortion and that it happens on occasion. But I think liberals believe that abortion isn't a political issue. I think liberals believe that a woman has a right to choose what happens to her body and that the consequences she faces are her own, and not society's. I think that liberals believe that the question of when life begins is a complicated one and can't be summed up by all the Supreme Courts and Congresses put together, because its an issue that affects people deeply and personally. And I think liberals have different feelings on the issue and although most of them may think that an abortion option should be kept safe and legal, I think that this doesn't describe every bleedin heart out there. Because I think liberals think freely. Of course I think that conservatives think freely. Of course reading posts in this forum would cause you to think otherwise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 QUOTE(mreye @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 02:05 PM) What are you doing? I don't know what he is doing, but I know what he's not doing. He's not reading what's written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 02:07 PM) As much as I love to argue semantics and whether or not you truly believe that liberals kill babies - which I'm sure that you don't by the way - it frankly bores me and I'd like to counteract the perception that you have that liberals believe in abortion. I guess liberals believe in abortion in as much as there is a procedure named abortion and that it happens on occasion. But I think liberals believe that abortion isn't a political issue. I think liberals believe that a woman has a right to choose what happens to her body and that the consequences she faces are her own, and not society's. I think that liberals believe that the question of when life begins is a complicated one and can't be summed up by all the Supreme Courts and Congresses put together, because its an issue that affects people deeply and personally. And I think liberals have different feelings on the issue and although most of them may think that an abortion option should be kept safe and legal, I think that this doesn't describe every bleedin heart out there. Because I think liberals think freely. Of course I think that conservatives think freely. Of course reading posts in this forum would cause you to think otherwise... On occasion? :headshake As for the rest of it ... Call it what you want to, there are still babies being killed and most of them are being killed for the purposes of contraception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 02:07 PM) As much as I love to argue semantics and whether or not you truly believe that liberals kill babies - which I'm sure that you don't by the way - it frankly bores me and I'd like to counteract the perception that you have that liberals believe in abortion. I guess liberals believe in abortion in as much as there is a procedure named abortion and that it happens on occasion. But I think liberals believe that abortion isn't a political issue. I think liberals believe that a woman has a right to choose what happens to her body and that the consequences she faces are her own, and not society's. I think that liberals believe that the question of when life begins is a complicated one and can't be summed up by all the Supreme Courts and Congresses put together, because its an issue that affects people deeply and personally. And I think liberals have different feelings on the issue and although most of them may think that an abortion option should be kept safe and legal, I think that this doesn't describe every bleedin heart out there. Because I think liberals think freely. Of course I think that conservatives think freely. Of course reading posts in this forum would cause you to think otherwise... Then why do they fight so hard against parental / spousal notification and doctor's offering alternatives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandy125 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 02:07 PM) I don't know what he is doing, but I know what he's not doing. He's not reading what's written. Is that a fact or a belief? Edited January 11, 2006 by vandy125 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 QUOTE(vandy125 @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 02:10 PM) Is that a fact or a belief? I believe it's a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I need some advice. Where can I buy something for a 3 week old fetus? None of the stores seem to have that size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 02:10 PM) I believe it's a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 QUOTE(vandy125 @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 03:10 PM) Is that a fact or a belief? :headshake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 02:11 PM) I need some advice. Where can I buy something for a 3 week old fetus? None of the stores seem to have that size. Dude ... lose a child to miscarriage and see how you feel about it. I know many people that have agonized about that circumstance as much as anyone that has lost a child that has been born. And, I have lost a child, so I know what I'm talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 (edited) Unfortunately? You want a Godless America? No wonder the liberals are dragging this country right down the s***ter. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I would love one, since there is no god.. If there is please show me proof.. One must ask the simple question Did God create man, or did man create god to give their lives meaning? personally I see the lader.. Edited January 11, 2006 by AnthraxFan93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 03:17 PM) I would love one, since there is no god.. If there is please show me proof.. One must ask the simple question Did God create man, or did man create god to give their lives meaning? personally I see the later.. Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 02:17 PM) I would love one, since there is no god.. If there is please show me proof.. One must ask the simple question Did God create man, or did man create god to give their lives meaning? personally I see the lader.. As is your right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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