Duke's Rankings

[chimpy2121]

Can you tell me why you have Terrence Whitehead over Maurice Drew?

[DukeNukeEm]

No.. Texas' OL didnt dominate the packages.. the dominated Rucker (whatever his name is... he sounds like the Panthers DE Rucker.. so I call him Rucker) and Lawrence Jackson and when you have Blalock and Scott like they do.. I expect it.

 

Carroll blitzed him, Young threaded coverage.. or ran.

 

Carroll doesnt blitz him.. Young sits FLAT FOOTED (never happens with mobile QB's) and find his guy downfield.

[DukeNukeEm]

Can you tell me why you have Terrence Whitehead over Maurice Drew?

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I HATE downgrading a RB due to size, but I have to with Drew. I think he has all the talent in the world.. but hes tiny. He wieghs less than most CB's.

 

Some websites have him listed at 200+... he isnt. If he can punch out that wieght at the combine he'll fly up the boards for me.

 

The shorter the RB the better IMO.

Edited January 11, 2006 by DukeNukeEm

[chimpy2121]

I HATE downgrading a RB due to size, but I have to with Drew.  I think he has all the talent in the world.. but hes tiny.  He wieghs less than most CB's.

 

Some websites have him listed at 200+... he isnt.  If he can punch out that wieght at the combine he'll fly up the boards for me.

 

The shorter the RB the better IMO.

 

Then why Brian Calhoun over Drew?

 

5-8 205 for Drew

5-10 194 for Calhoun

[DukeNukeEm]

Then why Brian Calhoun over Drew?

 

5-8  205 for Drew

5-10  194 for Calhoun

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B/c Brian Calhoun shouldve been a Hiesman finalist. The guy dominated this year, Drew didnt dominate nearly the way Calhoun did.

[SoxRock05]

Who do the Bears pick up with the 32nd pick of the first round?

 

Bears!!!

 

JiYea!!!

[DukeNukeEm]

Who do the Bears pick up with the 32nd pick of the first round?

 

Bears!!!

 

JiYea!!! 

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the best player availible.

[Palehosefan]

I'm impressed with your list, I only have a few changes, well, relatively.

 

QB:

1. Vince Young Texas

2. Matt Lienart USC

3. Jay Cutler Vanderbilt

4. Darrell Hackney UAB

5. Omar Jacobs BG

6. Barrick Nealy Texas State

7. Brodie Croyle Alabama

8. Reggie McNeal Texas A&M

9. Justin Holland CSU

 

 

 

RB:

1. Reggie Bush USC

2. LenDale White USC

3. DeAngelo Williams Memphis

4. Maurice Drew UCLA

5. Laurence Maroney Minnesota

6. Brian Calhoun Wisconsin

7. Joeseph Addai LSU

8. Jerome Harrison Wash. St.

9. PJ Daniels GA Tech

10. Terrence Whitehead Oregon

11. Andre Hall USF

 

 

FB:

1. Brian Leonard Rutgers

2. David Kirtman USC

3. Matt Bernstein Wisconsin

4. Ethan Kilmer Penn State (H-Back)

 

TE:

1. Vernon Davis Maryland

2. Leonard Pope Georgia

3. Marcedes Lewis UCLA

4. Dominque Byrd USC

5. David Thomas Texas

6. Anthony Fasano Notre Dame

 

 

WR:

1. Martin Nance Miami(OH)

2. Santonio Holmes Ohio State

3. Sinorice Moss Miami

4. Skyler Green LSU

5. Derek Hagan ASU

6. Brandon Williams Wisconsin

7. Hank Baskett New Mexico

8. Jason Avant Michigan

9. Maurice Stovall Notre Dame

10. Greg Lee Pitt.

 

 

T:

1. Marcus McNiell Auburn

2. D'Brickashaw Ferguson Virginia

3. Jon Scott Texas

4. Winston Justice USC

5. Eric Winston Miami

6. Darryn Colledge Boise State

7. Justin Blalock Texas

8. Jeremy Trueblood BC

9. Ryan O'Callaghan Cal

10. Andrew Whitworth LSU

 

G:

1. Taitusi Lutui USC

2. Max Gean-Jilles Georgia

3. Charles Spencer Pitt.

4. Davin Joeseph Oklahoma

5. Greg Eslinger Minnesota

6. Jason Spitz Louisville

7. Aaron Lips LA Tech

8. Mark Setterstrom Minnesota

 

C:

1. Nick Mangold Ohio State

2. Mike Degory Flordia

3. Ryan Cook New Mexico

 

DE:

1. Mario Williams NC State

2. Mathias Kiwanuka BC

3. Tamba Hali Penn State

4. Eric Henderson GA Tech

5. Quentin Moses Goeriga

6. Ray Edwards Purdue

7. Daryl Tapp VT

8. Dan Bazuin Central Michigan

9. Kamerion Wimbley FSU

10. Frostee Rucker USC

 

DT:

1. Haloti Ngata Oregon

2. John McCargo NC State

3. Rod Wright Texas

4. Orien Harris Miami

5. Claude Wroten LSU

6. Broderick Bunkley FSU

7. Jesse Maholena Tennessee

8. Dusty Dvoracek Oklahoma

9. Kyle Williams LSU

 

 

OLB:

1. Ernie Sims Florida State

2. Manny Lawson NCSU

3. Thomas Howard UTEP

4. AJ Hawk Ohio State

5. DeMeco Ryans Alabama

6. D'Qwell Jackson Maryland

7. Chad Greenway Iowa

8. Elvis Dumervil Louisville

9. Parys Haralson Tenn.

10. Roger McIntosh Miami FL

 

MLB:

1. Kai Parham Virginia

2. Bobby Carpenter Ohio State

3. Abdul Hodge Iowa

4. Anthony Schlegel Ohio State

5. Freddie Roach Alabama

6. Oliver Hoyte NC State

7. Tim Dobbins Iowa State

 

CB:

1. Jimmy Williams VA Tech

2. Alan Zemaitis Penn State

3. Antonio Cromartie FSU

4. Charles Gordon Kansas

5. Anwar Phillips Penn State

6. Ashton Youboty Ohio State

7. Devin Hester Miami

8. Tye Hill Clemson

9. Richard Marshall Fresno State

10. Will Blackmon BC

11. DeMario Minter Georgia

 

S:

1. Michael Huff UT

2. Darnell Bing USC

3. Ko Simpson S. Carolina

4. Greg Blue Georgia

5. Jason Allen Tennessee

6. Dwayne Slay TTU

7. LaRon Landry LSU

8. Bernard Pollard Purdue

[chimpy2121]

B/c Brian Calhoun shouldve been a Hiesman finalist.  The guy dominated this year, Drew didnt dominate nearly the way Calhoun did.

I dont know, Calhoun's 4.0 YPC (4.7 YPC overall) in the Big 10 didnt really do much for me. Especially when he had really tough outings against probably the two best defenses in the Big 10.

[DukeNukeEm]

I dont know, Calhoun's 4.0 YPC (4.7 YPC overall) in the Big 10 didnt really do much for me. Especially when he had really tough outings against probably the two best defenses in the Big 10.

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Reggie Bush dominating the sub-par Pac-10 wasnt enough for me.

 

my winner was Young (who else would it be?). In all honesty shouldve been Dumervil #2, he was outstanding.

[WHarris1]

Just curious why does everyone rate Devin Hester so high?

[DukeNukeEm]

I'm impressed with your list, I only have a few changes, well, relatively.

 

QB:

1. Vince Young Texas

2. Matt Lienart USC

3. Jay Cutler Vanderbilt

4. Darrell Hackney UAB

5. Omar Jacobs BG

6. Barrick Nealy Texas State

7. Brodie Croyle Alabama

8. Reggie McNeal Texas A&M

9. Justin Holland CSU

RB:

1. Reggie Bush USC

2. LenDale White USC

3. DeAngelo Williams Memphis

4. Maurice Drew UCLA

5. Laurence Maroney Minnesota

6. Brian Calhoun Wisconsin

7. Joeseph Addai LSU

8. Jerome Harrison Wash. St.

9. PJ Daniels GA Tech

10. Terrence Whitehead Oregon

11. Andre Hall USF

FB:

1. Brian Leonard Rutgers

2. David Kirtman USC

3. Matt Bernstein Wisconsin

4. Ethan Kilmer Penn State (H-Back)

 

TE:

1. Vernon Davis Maryland

2. Leonard Pope Georgia

3. Marcedes Lewis UCLA

4. Dominque Byrd USC

5. David Thomas Texas

6. Anthony Fasano Notre Dame

WR:

1. Martin Nance Miami(OH)

2. Santonio Holmes Ohio State

3. Sinorice Moss Miami

4. Skyler Green LSU

5. Derek Hagan ASU

6. Brandon Williams Wisconsin

7. Hank Baskett New Mexico

8. Jason Avant Michigan

9. Maurice Stovall Notre Dame

10. Greg Lee Pitt.

T:

1. Marcus McNiell Auburn

2. D'Brickashaw Ferguson Virginia

3. Jon Scott Texas

4. Winston Justice USC

5. Eric Winston Miami

6. Darryn Colledge Boise State

7. Justin Blalock Texas

8. Jeremy Trueblood BC

9. Ryan O'Callaghan Cal

10. Andrew Whitworth LSU

 

G:

1. Taitusi Lutui USC

2. Max Gean-Jilles Georgia

3. Charles Spencer Pitt.

4. Davin Joeseph Oklahoma

5. Greg Eslinger Minnesota

6. Jason Spitz Louisville

7. Aaron Lips LA Tech

8. Mark Setterstrom Minnesota

 

C:

1. Nick Mangold Ohio State

2. Mike Degory Flordia

3. Ryan Cook New Mexico

 

DE:

1. Mario Williams NC State

2. Mathias Kiwanuka BC

3. Tamba Hali Penn State

4. Eric Henderson GA Tech

5. Quentin Moses Goeriga

6. Ray Edwards Purdue

7. Daryl Tapp VT

8. Dan Bazuin Central Michigan

9. Kamerion Wimbley FSU

10. Frostee Rucker USC

 

DT:

1. Haloti Ngata Oregon

2. John McCargo NC State

3. Rod Wright Texas

4. Orien Harris Miami

5. Claude Wroten LSU

6. Broderick Bunkley FSU

7. Jesse Maholena Tennessee

8. Dusty Dvoracek Oklahoma

9. Kyle Williams LSU

OLB:

1. Ernie Sims Florida State

2. Manny Lawson NCSU

3. Thomas Howard UTEP

4. AJ Hawk Ohio State

5. DeMeco Ryans Alabama

6. D'Qwell Jackson Maryland

7. Chad Greenway Iowa

8. Elvis Dumervil Louisville

9. Parys Haralson Tenn.

10. Roger McIntosh Miami FL

 

MLB:

1. Kai Parham Virginia

2. Bobby Carpenter Ohio State

3. Abdul Hodge Iowa

4. Anthony Schlegel Ohio State

5. Freddie Roach Alabama

6. Oliver Hoyte NC State

7. Tim Dobbins Iowa State

 

CB:

1. Jimmy Williams VA Tech

2. Alan Zemaitis Penn State

3. Antonio Cromartie FSU

4. Charles Gordon Kansas

5. Anwar Phillips Penn State

6. Ashton Youboty Ohio State

7. Devin Hester Miami

8. Tye Hill Clemson

9. Richard Marshall Fresno State

10. Will Blackmon BC

11. DeMario Minter Georgia

 

S:

1. Michael Huff UT

2. Darnell Bing USC

3. Ko Simpson S. Carolina

4. Greg Blue Georgia

5. Jason Allen Tennessee

6. Dwayne Slay TTU

7. LaRon Landry LSU

8. Bernard Pollard Purdue

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You had the opportunity to add Huff. I hate Jimmy Williams.. Im thinking of dropping off the Rankigs b/c I think hes that overrated.

[DukeNukeEm]

Just curious why does everyone rate Devin Hester so high?

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Hes going to run a 4.2-4.3 40 yard dash.

 

Can we sign him up to return out Kicks and Punts?

[WHarris1]

Hes going to run a 4.2-4.3 40 yard dash.

 

Can we sign him up to return out Kicks and Punts?

Yes definitely a great KR/PR guy. But as a corner? No thanks.

[Palehosefan]

I rate him so high because he has amazing athletic ability, while limited coaching at the CB position, he has alot of potential at the position. Meanwhile, he can step in automatically and challenge for a Pro-Bowl return man spot. I wouldn't be suprised to see him tried out at WR though either.

[DukeNukeEm]

Yes definitely a great KR/PR guy.  But as a corner?  No thanks.

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He should be a WR.

 

Him and Ted Ginn got it wrong if you ask some people, I like Ginn at WR and Hester at WR.

 

I dont care, having a guy as fast as Hester on your team is a good player to have.

[DukeNukeEm]

I rate him so high because he has amazing athletic ability, while limited coaching at the CB position, he has alot of potential at the position. Meanwhile, he can step in automatically and challenge for a Pro-Bowl return man spot. I wouldn't be suprised to see him tried out at WR though either.

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Larry Cokers staff (whats left of it haha) isnt that good at making players good.

[WHarris1]

Larry Cokers staff (whats left of it haha) isnt that good at making players good.

Please explain.

[DukeNukeEm]

Please explain.

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Look at Miami.. they ahve Floridas fertile recruiting grounds yet cant get in the BCS or win the conference. They got destroyed by LSU and they dont look like the Miami's of old.

 

Coker is no Butch Davis.. and the only times hes won its becase hes leeched of Davis' players.

[WHarris1]

Look at Miami.. they ahve Floridas fertile recruiting grounds yet cant get in the BCS or win the conference.  They got destroyed by LSU and they dont look like the Miami's of old.

 

Coker is no Butch Davis.. and the only times hes won its becase hes leeched of Davis' players.

Coker has led the Hurricanes to one national championship, two Bowl Championship Series title game appearances, three BCS bowl game appearances, three consecutive Big East Conference championships, and a remarkable 44-6 record in four seasons as the Hurricanes head coach.

[DukeNukeEm]

Coker has led the Hurricanes to one national championship, two Bowl Championship Series title game appearances, three BCS bowl game appearances, three consecutive Big East Conference championships, and a remarkable 44-6 record in four seasons as the Hurricanes head coach.

 

 

With who's players? Butch Davis'.

 

The luck stops here, the LSU game is a sign of things to come. Coker saved his job by canning half his staff, but next year its him on the chopping block.

 

He's got Kyle Wright (who will always be developing) and Tyrone Moss (I'll give them credit on him, hes a very talented Football player... who has no knee left), but Orien Harris and Devin Hester have all the talent in the world yet look like chickens with thier heads cut off.

 

Why is that? Coker.

[WHarris1]

With who's players?  Butch Davis'.

 

The luck stops here, the LSU game is a sign of things to come.  Coker saved his job by canning half his staff, but next year its him on the chopping block.

 

He's got Kyle Wright (who will always be developing) and Tyrone Moss (I'll give them credit on him, hes a very talented Football player... who has no knee left), but Orien Harris and Devin Hester have all the talent in the world yet look like chickens with thier heads cut off.

 

Why is that?  Coker.

Yes it is with Davis' players. It's not about whose players they are...that deals with recruiting. He coached them to a National Title which really is what we are talking about, no?

[DukeNukeEm]

Yes it is with Davis' players.  It's not about whose players they are...that deals with recruiting.  He coached them to a National Title which really is what we are talking about, no?

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So every coach who's ever coached in a title game should never be fired? Come on now, Coker did that back in '01 and has gotten consistently worse since.

 

I hope they keep him, I hate Miami.

[Palehosefan]

The problem with Miami right now is that their fans are used to USC type dominance that they had 4-5 years ago. The last two years have been solid but haven't resulted in an ACC championship, and the fans are getting restless. It seems both FSU and Miami are in neutral right now as a program, both still get very good players and have good seasons. But neither up to the standards they have seen in the recent past. However, both teams should be very solid again next year and have a shot for the BCS, which is all any sane fanbase should ask for.

 

This years Miami class is definitely down by their standards, for example, their latest commit, is a 3 star #79 RB from Tennessee with these vitals, 5'10 183 running only a 4.5 40, that would have been an emergency recruit from years past, not one they accepted in January with other recruits still in play.

[WHarris1]

So every coach who's ever coached in a title game should never be fired?  Come on now, Coker did that back in '01 and has gotten consistently worse since.

 

I hope they keep him, I hate Miami.

I never said he should never be fired but it seems pretty unfair to judge him on being able to coach players when he hasn't exactly been coaching his own players for an extensive period of time. If anything the book is still out until he gets a more extended chance at coaching his own recruits without having his accomplishments dismissed because it's Davis' players.

 

It's stupid to say he should never be fired. But it's hard to say a guy can't coach when he won a National Title, no matter whose players they were.