Texsox Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 QUOTE(JimH @ Jan 12, 2006 -> 05:04 PM) Why am I not shocked you bring up Fisk whom in your eyes were so wronged by the White Sox? I get it that loyalty is a two way street. It is no mystery to me why Scott Boras has the reputation he has, nor is it a mystery to me why the White Sox and other teams prefer not to deal with him. I understand teams prefer to not deal with him. In fact, in the early days of sports agents, some teams refused to negotiate with any agent, perfering to negotiate directly with the player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 12, 2006 -> 12:01 PM) And if no teams accept the asking price the player will . . . retire? go to Japan? accept the highest someone is willing to pay? COLLUSION!!! They'll say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 QUOTE(q\/\/3r+y @ Jan 13, 2006 -> 08:23 AM) The only bargains in baseball are the cliff politte type signings... when you look back on it of course. Even then i thought it was a nice signing. And teams have seen the impact that type of signing had for us, and it's really gonna be hard to get a guy who could be that good in the pen for the price we got him at again in the current FA market. And KW getting him locked up for an extra year was another great move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 QUOTE(knightni @ Jan 13, 2006 -> 03:36 AM) COLLUSION!!! They'll say that. Only if the player doesn't receive a reasonable offer. Boras could ask for $15mil/year for Crede, but no one will offer that. When he receives offers similar to other players with his stats, no problem. No collusion, nothing illegal. I understand the theory that Boras will make you pay more than you should. Whether it's hypnosis, Vulcan mind control techniques, or whatever. He's super human, beware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 So Joe goes to arbitration. 100 players in total: http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/ap/20.../ap2449818.html So other interesting names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottawa_sox Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 13, 2006 -> 07:02 AM) Only if the player doesn't receive a reasonable offer. Boras could ask for $15mil/year for Crede, but no one will offer that. When he receives offers similar to other players with his stats, no problem. No collusion, nothing illegal. I understand the theory that Boras will make you pay more than you should. Whether it's hypnosis, Vulcan mind control techniques, or whatever. He's super human, beware. Would your second statement have been better served in green? Most people would not attach 'hypnosis, Vulcan mind control techniques, or super humanness' to the verifiable and well-substantiated fact that his stable of clients make too much money (for the good of baseball in general and individual teams in particular). The Sox have proven to be better off for being leery of the 'currency-driven, single-mindedness' of 'Boras/client' entities. Thank God some players feel that top dollar is only important and not the be-all, end-all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 QUOTE(ottawa_sox @ Jan 15, 2006 -> 10:25 AM) The Sox have proven to be better off for being leery of the 'currency-driven, single-mindedness' of 'Boras/client' entities. Thank God some players feel that top dollar is only important and not the be-all, end-all. I guess you missed the playoffs and World Series, I thought one of his clients played pretty damn good for the Sox. If Konerko plays like Ross Gload the next few seasons, the contract sucks, if he plays like Vlade, it was a great contract. Tell me the influence his agent will have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 12, 2006 -> 03:52 PM) Players contracts are determined years down the road, on the field. If Konerko plays like a couple seasons ago, it's a bad contract. If he continues to improve slightly, it's fair. If he continues to improve by leaps and bounds, it's a great contract for the team. Obviously the team is hoping for #3. Where in this curve, the player's contract falls is a result of the negotiations between the team and the player. A slightly under market contract makes 2 or 3 more likely, a over market contract makes 1 or 2 more likely. Can you list Boras' clients? How many mid level prospects does he represent? How many of those have "bad contracts"? How many of these are Boras clients? He forgot Borchard in that stupidity of $$ in baseball article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottawa_sox Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 16, 2006 -> 12:49 AM) I guess you missed the playoffs and World Series, I thought one of his clients played pretty damn good for the Sox. If Konerko plays like Ross Gload the next few seasons, the contract sucks, if he plays like Vlade, it was a great contract. Tell me the influence his agent will have? I don't believe anybody is suggesting that one of his clients can't play pretty damn good baseball. The object for cost conscious clubs should be to avoid them and go for alternatives. The year that Crede was drafted, the Sox also chose Bobby Seay. Live and learn. I think they have established their present thinking since the 1996 draft. Boras has around 100 agents. The champion Sox may soon have a stable of none instead of one. Edited January 16, 2006 by ottawa_sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 QUOTE(ottawa_sox @ Jan 16, 2006 -> 12:49 AM) The object for cost conscious clubs should be to avoid them and go for alternatives. And it always comes down to this, what magical hold does Boras have that would cause the Sox to offer more than they should? They obviously can't trust themselves to hold to a budget when they talk to Boras, in fact, KW had to have his assistant negotiate. Why is everyone scared of Boras to the point of not even wanting to talk to the man? If they believe $X is a fair contract and that is what they are willing to spend, why would they suddenly spend $2X? Someone tell me the super powers that Boras has. He can't sneak up on anyone, everyone knows what they are getting when he's the agent. Could it be that year after year Boras has the top free agents who command top dollar and the Sox have created Boras to be the monster so the fans divert their attention. I agree a bad contract sucks, especially as your payroll gets smaller. I think what happens on the field is a bigger factor in whether a contract sucks or not, not the agent. Last I looked the agent wasn't swinging the bat or grabbing the leather. I made my point, I have to stop responding, I know it's been beaten to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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