Declared Underclassmen

[DukeNukeEm]

WR Troy Bergeron, Georgia Force (AFL)

S Darnell Bing, USC

WR Jeremy Bloom, ex-Colorado

RB Cornell Brockington, Connecticut

RB Reggie Bush, USC

RB Brian Calhoun, Wisconsin

CB Antonio Cromartie, Florida State

TE Vernon Davis, Maryland

RB Maurice Drew, UCLA

DE Ray Edwards, Purdue

TE Anthony Fasano, Notre Dame

CB Charles Gordon, Kansas

OT Willie Hall, Middle Tennessee State

CB Devin Hester, Miami (FL)

WR Santonio Holmes, Ohio State

WR Chad Jackson, Florida

QB Omar Jacobs, Bowling Green

CB Johnathan Joseph, South Carolina

QB Brandon Kirsch, Purdue

WR Greg Lee, Pittsburgh

S Danieal Manning, Abilene Christian

RB Laurence Maroney, Minnesota

CB Richard Marshall, Fresno State

CB Derrick Martin, Wyoming

OG Fred Matua, USC

DT John McCargo, NC State

DE Stanley McClover, Auburn

DT Tony McDaniel, Tennessee

OT Derek Morris, NC State

DT Haloti Ngata, Oregon

ILB Kai Parham, Virginia

S Bernard Pollard, Purdue

TE Leonard Pope, Georgia

WR Drouzon Quillen, LA-Monroe

WR Cory Rodgers, TCU

QB Wyatt Sexton, Florida State

S Ko Simpson, South Carolina

OLB Ernie Sims, Florida State

WR D.J. Smith, Idaho

OG Rob Smith, Tennessee

RB Demetrius Summers, ex-South Carolina

OLB Paul Szczesny, Arizona State

OLB Stephen Tulloch, NC State

QB Marcus Vick, Virginia Tech

CB Dee Webb, Florida

RB LenDale White, USC

S Donte Whitner, Ohio State

DE Mario Williams, NC State

DE Michael Williams, Texas College

DE Roderkus Wright, Oregon

CB Ashton Youboty, Ohio State

QB Vince Young, Texas

[rventura23]

its amazing how many underclassmen go, I wonder how low theyll get drafted

[DukeNukeEm]

the CBA next year is the reason

[AddisonStSox]

There are some names on there that took some horrific advice to heart.

[DukeNukeEm]

There are some names on there that took some horrific advice to heart.

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care to share?

[Palehosefan]

QB Wyatt Sexton, Florida State

 

Didn't he quit football all together becaue of mental health problems?

[DukeNukeEm]

Didn't he quit football all together becaue of mental health problems?

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sorry, but nobody is crazier than Alonzo Spellman.

 

he ran around outside the hospital in the middle of night in the dead of winter with no clothes on.

 

he wasnt drunk FYI

[AddisonStSox]

care to share?

 

The three that instantly come to mind are Maurice Drew, Brian Calhoun, and Brandon Kirsch. Both Drew and Calhoun would have competed for the Heisman next season and looked to be first-round locks. I don't know what the hell Kirsch was thinking. There is another name on there that I went to high school with and really f***ed up his whole future. All he needed to do was settle on a school after high school, redshirt, bite his lip, and play football for three or four seasons. Instead, he made stupid decision after stupid decision and now, I'd be suprised to even see him as a special teams' player in the NFL. He's a real poor character guy and not a guy to pull for. I'm almost kind of glad to see this happen. He got what was coming to him.

[DukeNukeEm]

The three that instantly come to mind are Maurice Drew, Brian Calhoun, and Brandon Kirsch.  Both Drew and Calhoun would have competed for the Heisman next season and looked to be first-round locks.  I don't know what the hell Kirsch was thinking.  There is another name on there that I went to high school with and really f***ed up his whole future.  All he needed to do was settle on a school after high school, redshirt, bite his lip, and play football for three or four seasons.  Instead, he made stupid decision after stupid decision and now, I'd be suprised to even see him as a special teams' player in the NFL.  He's a real poor character guy and not a guy to pull for.  I'm almost kind of glad to see this happen.  He got what was coming to him.

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I think we kinda edged outta the door regarding Purdue, coaches didnt really seem to upset at his departutre.

 

I COMPLETELY disagree on Calhoun. Next year people would still have the same knock on him... his size. If he got himself hurt his stock would take an even bigger hit. It's horrible he wasnt even talked about in the Hiesman chase this year, the Reggie Bush hype-wagon got way outta hand.

 

Maurice Drew? Same as Calhoun about the size thing, but he wasnt jobbed of a Heisman shot. He was OK to leave, the rest of hte offense is leaving too.

[DukeNukeEm]

Anybody know what Kenny Irons is doing?

[Soxbadger]

I agree on Calhoun, he should of stayed and he would of been next years "Reggie Bush". When you look at both of them play, Calhoun is basically a less prolific Bush. The question I posed in my rb ratings is whether or not Bush will be 30million dollars better than Calhoun, and I really think he will not.

 

If Calhoun had stayed, I think he could have built his stock up into the first round, and depending on his combine have a chance at being in the teens.

 

This year even if he tears it up at the combine, most teams will have to pass because of his size. But, you look at Warrick Dunn and realize that size isnt everything, and Calhoun has superior receiving talent then most wr's you are going to see in this draft.

 

You could do a lot of interest things with Calhoun in your offense.

[Palehosefan]

Kenny is staying another year, and it was indeed Sexton who quit football. He was arrested last year after being found in the gutter, claiming himself as God. He's been diagnosed with Lyme disease.

[DukeNukeEm]

I agree on Calhoun, he should of stayed and he would of been next years "Reggie Bush". When you look at both of them play, Calhoun is basically a less prolific Bush. The question I posed in my rb ratings is whether or not Bush will be 30million dollars better than Calhoun, and I really think he will not.

 

If Calhoun had stayed, I think he could have built his stock up into the first round, and depending on his combine have a chance at being in the teens.

 

This year even if he tears it up at the combine, most teams will have to pass because of his size. But, you look at Warrick Dunn and realize that size isnt everything, and Calhoun has superior receiving talent then most wr's you are going to see in this draft.

 

You could do a lot of interest things with Calhoun in your offense.

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Calhoun and Bush?! What are you talking about, I dont buy the Reginald hype.. but I'm pretty sure he's better than Calhoun.

 

And the knock on his size wasnt going to change next year, unless he put on like 20 lbs.

 

Give DukersMcNukers a f***ing break.

[DukeNukeEm]

Kenny is staying another year, and it was indeed Sexton who quit football. He was arrested last year after being found in the gutter, claiming himself as God. He's been diagnosed with Lyme disease.

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Wow.

 

He takes the Criminole Spirit to a whole new level...

 

I thought Irons would stay, I really made a bad mistake saying he'd be the top bowl game performer this year.

[Soxbadger]

I did not say Calhoun was better than Bush.

 

I said I do not think Bush is 30million better than Calhoun, and that is underestimating the difference in contracts that they are going to be given.

 

From NFL Draftcountdown because until combine no real way to determine speed etc:

 

Bush: Height: 6-0 | Weight: 200 | 40-Time: 4.28

 

Calhoun: Height: 5-10 | Weight: 194 | 40-Time: n/a

 

So why would Calhoun need to put on 20 lbs, when he is 2 inches shorter and only 6 lbs ligher than Bush?

 

He also took far more punishment this year then Bush playing in the Big 10 and having over 400 touches, which should suggest he is more durable than Bush.

 

As for the 40 time, I expect that Bush runs about a 4.4 and Calhoun about a 4.45.

 

I think Calhoun has better hands then Bush, and Bush has better game breaking ability at RB.

 

Therefore the question is,

 

Is Bush at 1st round 1st pick worth more than Calhoun who may be around at 3rd round 1st pick?

 

I would take Calhoun at the price.

 

If price was the same, then clearly Bush is the better bet.

[DukeNukeEm]

you have to wait for the combine to get accurate ht & weight info.

 

team will fabricate that stuff like its going outta style

[Chisoxfn]

I don't care what you all want to see, but Bush is gonna run faster than 4.4 and the best part about him is that he isn't any slower in pads.

 

Calhoun is a poor mans Bush as to Ben Gordon being a poor mans AI.

 

Reggie Bush can do a lot of things well. He's not going to be the typical 30 carry back but he's gonna be good. Lendale is gonna be a beast as well.

 

Both are lightyears better than Calhoun. Calhoun is good and I don't think he really hurt himself by going pro this year. Same with Maurice Drew (who I happen to think is pretty solid).

 

I don't expect either to be stars though (not like White and Bush, who will be stars).

[ChWRoCk2]

I tend to think that omar jacobs would be a nice sleeper pick hes a damn good qb just not out of a big school, could be a nice future qb

[Felix]

I tend to think that omar jacobs would be a nice sleeper pick hes a damn good qb just not out of a big school, could be a nice future qb

Exactly my thoughts. Whichever team gets him is going to be in for a nice surprise a few years down the line.

[AddisonStSox]

Exactly my thoughts.  Whichever team gets him is going to be in for a nice surprise a few years down the line.

 

I'm hearing KC. KC would be a perfect fit as he'd have a year or two for grooming under Trent Green. He'd be an excellet fit for that system. If they are able to take him in the second round, that's an excellent value pick.

[Soxbadger]

Chisox,

 

I just would not bet my franchise on Reggie Bush. He may turn out to be an All-Pro, but I just do not think it is a certainty. I think Lendale White is much more likely to make an impact next year then either Bush or Calhoun, his size and style fits the pro game much better.

 

As for Calhoun versus Bush, I am putting cost into the equation. Bush's cost will be ridiculously high, a top 5 pick over all, and $20-40mil in contracts. Calhoun's cost will be very low, most likely a late 2nd early 3rd round and at most $1-2mil in contracts.

 

That is why I would not draft Bush at 1, because I do not think he is 10-20x better than Calhoun, Deangelo Williams, etc.

 

If I were the Texans and I was hell bent on RB, I would 100% trade down and pick D'Brickshaw Ferguson. I would then see how the draft goes and either trade up from the 2nd round to get a first round rb, or stand pat and see who falls.

 

Bush could prove me 100% wrong, but there are very few players in the last few years who can claim that I missed on them.

 

I also think Bush did not play against top defensive talent, and he did not face many 8+ in the box sets. I also think Calhoun has better hands, thus he is more suited to be a WR/RB and why at 3rd round his value is very high.

 

Once again, not saying he is better than Bush. Just saying that in my evaluation of both players, Bush is not so far ahead of Calhoun that if I was a team like the Jets who misses out on Bush in round 1, I would be very happy if I could get Calhoun in 3.

[WHarris1]

Bush could prove me 100% wrong, but there are very few players in the last few years who can claim that I missed on them.

Is your back a little sore?

[Soxbadger]

::chuckles::

 

Ah Mr Harris, are you going to put your 2 cents into the argument or are you just going to stand on the sidelines?

 

I dont shy away from my opinions on players, and that is why I went ahead and put Deangelo Williams and Lendale White ahead of Bush in my RB projections.

 

As for patting my own back, I dont think its necessary.

 

Come 2007 when we look back at this years draft class I think that my statements will prove their merit.

[AddisonStSox]

 

[WHarris1]

::chuckles::

 

Ah Mr Harris, are you going to put your 2 cents into the argument or are you just going to stand on the sidelines?

 

I dont shy away from my opinions on players, and that is why I went ahead and put Deangelo Williams and Lendale White ahead of Bush in my RB projections.

 

As for patting my own back, I dont think its necessary.

 

Come 2007 when we look back at this years draft class I think that my statements will prove their merit.

Just a little ribbing, green for a reason.