Declared Underclassmen

[ChWRoCk2]

He didn't get 1000 yards because he only played 11 games. And I'd say he only had 2 red zone TD's, because the Texans are just hopeless down in the red zone in quite a few aspects, such as coaching (Capers and Palmer getting fired), and the Texans not being able to protect Carr, so defenses can just concentrate on stopping Davis on the first and second down.

This raises another question, since they have troubles in the redzone even with the fact that davis has had a good yards per carry average why would they want to draft Reggie Bush. They really should go after Vince Young, the Texans are very similar to the Atlanta Falcons before the Michael Vick era, somewhat of the same situation, Young is like a rb and passing qb, if Davis is doing well whats the point of adding Bush, they still need to protect Carr. I mean come one, we dont know how much better Reggie is going to do than Davis. You saw Texas play, Young just changed teams whole defensive strategy, USC couldnt figure him out. He reminds me of Daunte Culpepper with his size and speed. I just dont get why they would draft Bush, it would just be an add on to what they already have. Seems like all the teams with the top draft pick believe that they have to draft the best available player.

Edited January 21, 2006 by ChWRoCk2

[DBAHO]

This raises another question, since they have troubles in the redzone even with the fact that davis has had a good yards per carry average why would they want to draft Reggie Bush.  They really should go after Vince Young, the Texans are very similar to the Atlanta Falcons before the Michael Vick era, somewhat of the same situation, Young is like a rb and passing qb, if Davis is doing well whats the point of adding Bush, they still need to protect Carr. I mean come one, we dont know how much better Reggie is going to do than Davis.  You saw Texas play, Young just changed teams whole defensive strategy, USC couldnt figure him out.  He reminds me of Daunte Culpepper with his size and speed.  I just dont get why they would draft Bush, it would just be an add on to what they already have.  Seems like all the teams with the top draft pick believe that they have to draft the best available player.

Have a look at Falcons offense now. They're not exactly lighting the world on fire over there with Mike Vick behind center (hence why the blame game has started).

 

Young could take a few years to develop, it's a big risk to take him at #1. It really depends on whether they can unload Davis. Really they should trade down and pick the OT Ferguson, but that's not the "sexy" pick that is going to sell tickets for Bob McNair.

 

So they're kind of in a rock in a hard place right now. Great position to be in, but do they stick with Carr instead of Davis thinking if they upgrade the O-Line, the offense will be much improved, instead of going with Young and Davis and cutting Carr loose?

[witesoxfan]

Young could take a few years to develop, it's a big risk to take him at #1. It really depends on whether they can unload Davis. Really they should trade down and pick the OT Ferguson, but that's not the "sexy" pick that is going to sell tickets for Bob McNair.

 

 

So basically, do you prefer to be the Detroit Tigers or the Chicago White Sox of the NFL?

[ChWRoCk2]

Young could take a few years to develop, it's a big risk to take him at #1. It really depends on whether they can unload Davis. Really they should trade down and pick the OT Ferguson, but that's not the "sexy" pick that is going to sell tickets for Bob McNair.

 

So they're kind of in a rock in a hard place right now. Great position to be in, but do they stick with Carr instead of Davis thinking if they upgrade the O-Line, the offense will be much improved, instead of going with Young and Davis and cutting Carr loose?

All young qbs tend to take a longer time to develop with exceptions, my cousin in San Fran keeps tellin me everyone wants to get rid of Alex Smith already, everyone expected to have him just come out and give a spark to their offense, no one however realizes they have no receivers for him to go to, alot of pressure was put on him.

 

Taking Young of course is gonna be risky, I gotta believe Texans fans want a winning team being a huge football state, and Young might play better in Texas with a lot of fans down there who would come in and watch him adding to their attendance as u noted and also maybe taking some tension off his shoulders, I dont expect him to go out and have them double their scoring but a scrambling qb opens up options on offense.

 

But if they pass on a qb or rb and take a linemen then there still not in the greatest shape in the world with Carr at qb. Im not too sure who they would get for Domanick Davis. Problem is if they take the linemen and trade Davis this leaves holes at qb and rb figuring Carr is cut which i doubt happens, they might be better off testing free agency for offensive linemen.

 

Heres an interesting scenario:

First pick take Reggie Bush

Second pick take Omar Jacobs, good qb who I believe is underrated

 

Then test the market for some offensive linemen, next year they could always go for linemen or a QB if things dont work out, nobody expects them to be an above 500 team no matter what direction they go though.

Edited January 21, 2006 by ChWRoCk2

[DBAHO]

no one however realizes they have no receivers for him to go to, alot of pressure was put on him. 

Just like David Carr in Houston right? I'll take Andre Johnson over Brandon Lloyd too.

 

and Young might play better in Texas with a lot of fans down there who would come in and watch him adding to their attendance as u noted and also maybe taking some tension off his shoulders, I dont expect him to go out and have them double their scoring but a scrambling qb opens up options on offense.

 

A scrambling QB is also probe to having more mistakes on offense, if their decision making isn't great. Have a look at Jake Plummer. He wasn't good in Arizona for at least half a decade.

 

Wouldn't Young staying in Texas put more pressure on him, where they would expect him to produce like he did with Texas?

 

But if they pass on a qb or rb and take a linemen then there still not in the greatest shape in the world with Carr at qb.

 

But hasn't their main problem been that they can't protect the QB. It's no good having a good QB if he has to take 3 step drops to unload the football before he gets whacked. Carr deserves a chance to show what he can do under Kubiak with a better offensive line in front of him IMHO.

 

Im not too sure who they would get for Domanick Davis.  Problem is if they take the linemen and trade Davis this leaves holes at qb and rb figuring Carr is cut which i doubt happens, they might be better off testing free agency for offensive linemen.

 

Well if you trade down for a lineman, you're obviously not going to trade Davis or Carr are you. That'd just be pretty damn stupid.

 

Then test the market for some offensive linemen, next year they could always go for linemen or a QB if things dont work out, nobody expects them to be an above 500 team no matter what direction they go though.

 

The problem with that scenario is that the Texans have hardly shown that they can sign good OL'men. They've invested quite a lot of money into the likes of Todd Wade, Zach Wiegert to name a few, and it hasn't paid off.

[ChWRoCk2]

A scrambling QB is also probe to having more mistakes on offense, if their decision making isn't great. Have a look at Jake Plummer. He wasn't good in Arizona for at least half a decade.

 

But hasn't their main problem been that they can't protect the QB. It's no good having a good QB if he has to take 3 step drops to unload the football before he gets whacked. Carr deserves a chance to show what he can do under Kubiak with a better offensive line in front of him IMHO.

Well if you trade down for a lineman, you're obviously not going to trade Davis or Carr are you. That'd just be pretty damn stupid. 

Scrambleres do have alot more decisions but I just think since they have such a poor offense a qb who can get out of the pocket and run to get the first would help them.

 

Even if they do happen to draft a linemen, you cant guarantee hes gonna help protect the QB better than the next guy, even though ferguson was a good blocker at Virginia. The raiders when they had troubles getting blocking took Gallery and all of a sudden they had a good running game and their pass improve so I think on the Texans part waiting a year for a QB or Rb could be worth the wait, and of course they wouldnt trade davis or carr unless they got a hell of a lot out of them.

[Chisoxfn]

Cadillac got more pub on that one run where he broke like 8 tackels on one play in week 1/2 than Ronnie got the whole season

Caddy isn't as great as some of you think he is. He breaks some big runs, but he's a pretty crappy runner in terms of consistently getting yards. It seems like its big gain or nothing with him.

[Palehosefan]

I have to disagree. Carnell averaged atleast 3.7 ypc on every down this year, the 3.7 was on 1st down, which is still pretty nice. But here's some stats which make me think he will be very special. On his 21st carry and on in games, he averaged 6.86 ypc, and half his games played he carried over 21 times. It would have been more without the midseason injury which really hurt his numbers as well. In the 2nd half of games, he actually gets stronger and averaged 4.7 ypc, including the 4th quarter where he averages 5.6 ypc. He actually carried the ball better on the road as well, with a 4.2 ypc compared to 3.9 at home. He also played his best against his own division, with a 4.4 ypc compared to 3.8 outside of it. If you have back that plays well against your division, gets stronger as the game goes on, gets it done on the road where audibles can be tough, and can gain almost 1,200 yards his rookie campaign, then you have something pretty nice.

 

You play him on artificial turf, and he's lights out. He doesn't exactly run behind a great OL either, with guys like Dan Buenning, Anthony Davis, John Wade, Sean Mahan, and Kenyatta Walker leading the way. Not to mention the passing game didn't help him out, with the 8th worst attack in the league. I fully expect him to have a healthy year next year and run for 1,400+ yards.

[DukeNukeEm]

I have to disagree. Carnell averaged atleast 3.7 ypc on every down this year, the 3.7 was on 1st down, which is still pretty nice. But here's some stats which make me think he will be very special. On his 21st carry and on in games, he averaged 6.86 ypc, and half his games played he carried over 21 times. It would have been more without the midseason injury which really hurt his numbers as well. In the 2nd half of games, he actually gets stronger and averaged 4.7 ypc, including the 4th quarter where he averages 5.6 ypc. He actually carried the ball better on the road as well, with a 4.2 ypc compared to 3.9 at home. He also played his best against his own division, with a 4.4 ypc compared to 3.8 outside of it. If you have  back that plays well against your division, gets stronger as the game goes on, gets it done on the road where audibles can be tough, and can gain almost 1,200 yards his rookie campaign, then you have something pretty nice.

 

You play him on artificial turf, and he's lights out. He doesn't exactly run behind a great OL either, with guys like Dan Buenning, Anthony Davis, John Wade, Sean Mahan, and Kenyatta Walker leading the way. Not to mention the passing game didn't help him out, with the 8th worst attack in the league. I fully expect him to have a healthy year next year and run for 1,400+ yards.

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breaking a 10 yard gain, then rushing for 0 yards the next play is still 5 YPC.

[Palehosefan]

And rushing for 5 yards two consecutive plays is 10 yards. Either way its a first down, and there's not enough statistic's available to show how exactly each 4 yards is gained. Some players like Jerome Bettis get 3-5 yards every down, but isn't a threat to break off a 30 yard run. Different offenses go for different styles, some offenses are explosive and want the same style of back, that can break off a big gain at any time. Others like the Steelers like to constantly pound the ball and look for the back to get 4 yards everytime and eat the clock up. You can be successful with both styles, but Carnell can dirty his nose and get 3-4 yards when need be, he breaks tackles very well.